Speeding worse than drug taking? Public opinion.
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Even consuming too much alcohol has a worse effect on the individuals who do it and on society as a whole. We all see the people dressed up for a night out lying in their own vomit or getting into fights. Hospitals are overrun with drunks and their innocent victims at the weekend. Then there are the ones who attack paramedics. Yet the government is quite happy to allow alcohol to be sold cheaply day and night everywhere including motorway service stations. It's not just the illegal intoxicating substances which people don't appreciate can cause a worse problem than speeding. When people use any substance which affects their minds and their ability to be responsible for their actions they become more of a danger to themselves and everyone else than when they're clean and sober. If you're driving fast you can still be able to judge the hazards ahead and react quickly and appropriately.
Let's look at this logically.
Taking drugs (assuming you weren't referring to taking drugs and driving) is likely to only hurt yourself if that.
Speeding is also illegal and may be dangerous, it may also not be but had more potential to cause harm to others, so morally it is worse than using recreational drugs
In fact all vice laws are pointless. What people choose to do with their own bodies should not be a subject of state control if it is hurting nobody but themselves
Taking drugs (assuming you weren't referring to taking drugs and driving) is likely to only hurt yourself if that.
Speeding is also illegal and may be dangerous, it may also not be but had more potential to cause harm to others, so morally it is worse than using recreational drugs
In fact all vice laws are pointless. What people choose to do with their own bodies should not be a subject of state control if it is hurting nobody but themselves
poing said:
Do you think the people that produce the drugs are nice kind friendly types? Do you think the supply chain for drugs is similar to the one Tesco uses? Where does the money come from, both from the takers and set up costs for the producers?
Do you think the people that produce the oil you use to drive fast are nice friendly types?Mave said:
poing said:
Do you think the people that produce the drugs are nice kind friendly types? Do you think the supply chain for drugs is similar to the one Tesco uses? Where does the money come from, both from the takers and set up costs for the producers?
Do you think the people that produce the oil you use to drive fast are nice friendly types?Speeding is for the most part a victimless crime. Drugs even things like cannabis (which a lot of people say is acceptable) has effects for everyone that knows a heavy user. Iv been threatened by people I consider friends purely because they cannot afford more cannabis not to mention the occasionaly violent crime caused by users not being able to afford what
they want.
ETA: Are your colleagues lucky enough to live in an area where they do not have to see the effects of heavy drug use every day?
they want.
ETA: Are your colleagues lucky enough to live in an area where they do not have to see the effects of heavy drug use every day?
Edited by dabofoppo on Friday 14th February 00:39
HertsBiker said:
Both are illegal, but one is now regarded as ok.
Clearly.By you.
I won't say "don't judge people", but... be prepared for them to judge you back. It's just not human nature to lie down and accept a perceived attack on your character like that. This most likely had nothing to do with speeding, and everything to do with getting you off a high horse.
What would you do if a random colleague came up to you and told you, without prompting, your speeding was wrong? Twenty internet pounds says you'd react pretty much the way he did.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 14th February 01:30
paranoid airbag said:
Clearly.
By you.
I won't say "don't judge people", but... be prepared for them to judge you back. It's just not human nature to lie down and accept a perceived attack on your character like that. This most likely had nothing to do with speeding, and everything to do with getting you off a high horse.
What would you do if a random colleague came up to you and told you, without prompting, your speeding was wrong? Twenty internet pounds says you'd react pretty much the way he did.
It's the drugs that appear to be accepted by most people. Had to add this in case of misunderstanding. I'm always shocked when people admit to drugs. To me, someone driving fast on a motorway does not seem to be a big deal. The drug takers do not view their habit as illegal or immoral, or even dangerous. The penalty for being found with some pot is a insignificant.By you.
I won't say "don't judge people", but... be prepared for them to judge you back. It's just not human nature to lie down and accept a perceived attack on your character like that. This most likely had nothing to do with speeding, and everything to do with getting you off a high horse.
What would you do if a random colleague came up to you and told you, without prompting, your speeding was wrong? Twenty internet pounds says you'd react pretty much the way he did.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 14th February 01:30
Troubleatmill said:
Depends on your perspective.
Hypothetically - If you lose control of your car (or bike) and wipe out my nearest and dearest; and I found out you have a habit of speeding...
Then there is nowhere on this planet that you and your family will be safe.
I would make it a mission to remove from this earth what you love the most.
Still have a heavy right foot?
Oh jesus christ, will you take his livelihood? Hypothetically - If you lose control of your car (or bike) and wipe out my nearest and dearest; and I found out you have a habit of speeding...
Then there is nowhere on this planet that you and your family will be safe.
I would make it a mission to remove from this earth what you love the most.
Still have a heavy right foot?
Edited by Troubleatmill on Thursday 13th February 20:47
Drugs generally have a detrimental effect on people close to them, families etc. They often affect perception on reality making the individuals paranoid, they also have a financial affect. I've seen plenty of it, seen my friends ruin themselves, their relationships through drugs.
To say youre putting others in danger from speeding and not from drug taking is bulls
t. The majority of people on this forum who speed do so in perfect control of themselves and their vehicles without putting anyone else in a compromised position.
To say youre putting others in danger from speeding and not from drug taking is bulls
t. The majority of people on this forum who speed do so in perfect control of themselves and their vehicles without putting anyone else in a compromised position.Somnophore said:
Let's look at this logically.
Taking drugs (assuming you weren't referring to taking drugs and driving) is likely to only hurt yourself if that.
Lets look at this logically. Taking drugs (assuming you weren't referring to taking drugs and driving) is likely to only hurt yourself if that.
Taking drugs affects people's judgement and influences many of them to do stupid things that (directly or indirectly) cause significant harm to others as well as themselves. Only hurting themselves? Yeah right.
HertsBiker said:
It's the drugs that appear to be accepted by most people. Had to add this in case of misunderstanding. I'm always shocked when people admit to drugs. To me, someone driving fast on a motorway does not seem to be a big deal. The drug takers do not view their habit as illegal or immoral, or even dangerous. The penalty for being found with some pot is a insignificant.
Why be shocked? People have been using drugs for thousands of years, its not some new fad. Illegal doesnt automatically mean immoral, but even if it did, the immorality is not something that concerns most people - that sounds more like a Daily Mail readers problem.... The penalty for being caught with pot should be non existant. Happily most people will never get caught.
Bit of a strange comparison IMO. As said earlier logic would suggest that speeding can go wrong and affect others where as individual drug taking will only affect that one person.
People put an umbrella over 'drugs' as a whole, which is ridiculous. You need to compare each individual drug as they are all very different as are the effects.
The same goes for speeding it's a very general thing. Doing 80mph on the motorway is speeding but hardly dangerous. 60mph past a school at 3pm is extremely dangerous! So compare the first example to injecting heroin and obviously the drugs are worse, however compare the second example to smoking a joint and it's the speeding that is worse. Pointless argument really.
People put an umbrella over 'drugs' as a whole, which is ridiculous. You need to compare each individual drug as they are all very different as are the effects.
The same goes for speeding it's a very general thing. Doing 80mph on the motorway is speeding but hardly dangerous. 60mph past a school at 3pm is extremely dangerous! So compare the first example to injecting heroin and obviously the drugs are worse, however compare the second example to smoking a joint and it's the speeding that is worse. Pointless argument really.
poing said:
GroundEffect said:
Drug taking only really affects those who do it, to a point - weed really only does affect the user but some drugs like heroin obviously has knock-on effects.
Speeding directly impacts the safety of others.
Simple?
Then you are massively ignorant to the impact that drugs have on the world.Speeding directly impacts the safety of others.
Simple?
Do you think the people that produce the drugs are nice kind friendly types? Do you think the supply chain for drugs is similar to the one Tesco uses? Where does the money come from, both from the takers and set up costs for the producers?
That's just big picture stuff. Now go speak to a social worker or the many medical people that have to deal with the fall out from drugs daily. What percentage of people are in prison due to drug related crimes, including theft to pay for it amongst many other things. Do people get mugged at knife point by speeders? Do speeders go around doing armed robberies? The list is endless because the knock on impact of drugs is endless.
Anyone who thinks speeding is a worse crime than drug taking is deluded at best.
Asserting people are deluded who don't agree with you doesn't strengthen your argument by the way.
Robb F said:
poing said:
GroundEffect said:
Drug taking only really affects those who do it, to a point - weed really only does affect the user but some drugs like heroin obviously has knock-on effects.
Speeding directly impacts the safety of others.
Simple?
Then you are massively ignorant to the impact that drugs have on the world.Speeding directly impacts the safety of others.
Simple?
Do you think the people that produce the drugs are nice kind friendly types? Do you think the supply chain for drugs is similar to the one Tesco uses? Where does the money come from, both from the takers and set up costs for the producers?
That's just big picture stuff. Now go speak to a social worker or the many medical people that have to deal with the fall out from drugs daily. What percentage of people are in prison due to drug related crimes, including theft to pay for it amongst many other things. Do people get mugged at knife point by speeders? Do speeders go around doing armed robberies? The list is endless because the knock on impact of drugs is endless.
Anyone who thinks speeding is a worse crime than drug taking is deluded at best.
Asserting people are deluded who don't agree with you doesn't strengthen your argument by the way.
It wouldn't remove all of the negative effects on health (but again, could help reduce them to some degree); however, tobacco is a legal, regulated drug (well, nicotine is the drug) with severe health risks.
It also wouldn't remove the addictive nature of the drugs and risk of life/career damaging dependency; however, alcohol is a legal, regulated drug that can have the same effect.
Both drugs mentioned above are (or have the potential to be) more addictive and more damaging to health than drugs that are currently illegal.
Mave said:
It is possible to hold a more complex opinion than 'speeding is ok, drugs are bar's. Is this what discussion on PH has become- if you don't agree with someone they must be trolling?
Sorry, I did try and post a fairly long and thought provoking response, but I'm on my phone so this farcical website will not let me.HertsBiker said:
I was amazed when discussing drugs with my work colleagues, who have smoked pot, taken cocaine, heroin, extasy (sp?), speed, and other illegal and dangerous drugs...... Said my 'speeding' is worse.
So - lemme get this straight - people who think drugs are acceptable to take have a general belief that taking drugs is OK. Hold the front page.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff