Bought a rot box, how much to fix?
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bigbob77 said:
I can't remember if the plastic water pump blades were an issue on the ST200? I know there was an upgraded part fitted to that engine in Jaguars, but it was always a problem with the V6/ST24.
You should look into it and consider a new pump if needed.
They were, yeah. The genuine Ford ones are plastic, the cheap aftermarket ones are metal. I fitted an £11 unit to mine!You should look into it and consider a new pump if needed.
Kitchski said:
They were, yeah. The genuine Ford ones are plastic, the cheap aftermarket ones are metal. I fitted an £11 unit to mine!
Definitely get a replacement then - everyone I knew with a Mondeo/Cougar V6 eventually suffered head gasket failure after the blades broke.BTW OP - Fantastic choice of car, even though I would never pay that much for one
. I loved my Mk2 Mondeos. It has been 8 years since I sold my last one (2000 V6 Ghia X) and I still find myself comparing every new car I get to them. I've had faster cars, more refined cars, higher spec cars... But nothing has given the full package quite like the Mk2.Blue Oval84 said:
Time for an update!
The car is booked in for bodywork to include-
Next I just need the mechanicals sorting which will include-
I think it's safe to say that this car would ordinarily have been scrapped by any sane owner, but by the time it's finished it should be a brilliant example, and good for quite a while longer.
I am a bit gutted that it's turned out like this as I honestly thought that I was buying a good one (and paid more for it as a result) but given the work I've ended up doing I could have bought one of the many examples that appeared to be one MOT away from the scrap yard and just fixed it up. At least my interior is pretty much mint.
Ho hum, I still love the car and even when it stands me £5K+, I'll be happy with the result.
I expect you know this, but the front lower control arms on the ST200 are not common with any other Mondeo. They are however shared with the Cougar, and the UKCougar forum always have the best leads on control arm prices because they are steep compared to normal Mondeo ones which have bushes orientated differently and are incompatible with ST200 / Cougar subframes.The car is booked in for bodywork to include-
- New inner and outer sills
- Floor cut out back to good metal and welding back up where it is holed.
- Spare wheel well repair (found two holes in that!)
- Tow bar removed and any holes welding back up/rustproofing
- New Rear arches
- Respray exterior from the rear up to and including front doors (the edges were damaged, ironically by those door protector things that a previous owner fitted)
Next I just need the mechanicals sorting which will include-
- New Coil pack, HT leads and Sparks
- 2X Front lower arms
- 1X CV Joint
I think it's safe to say that this car would ordinarily have been scrapped by any sane owner, but by the time it's finished it should be a brilliant example, and good for quite a while longer.
I am a bit gutted that it's turned out like this as I honestly thought that I was buying a good one (and paid more for it as a result) but given the work I've ended up doing I could have bought one of the many examples that appeared to be one MOT away from the scrap yard and just fixed it up. At least my interior is pretty much mint.
Ho hum, I still love the car and even when it stands me £5K+, I'll be happy with the result.
You'll need a bolt set as well for them, as unless you want to drop the subframe (I've done it loads and it's bit of a faff) you'll be sawing the bolt heads off and fitting the replacements upside down.
jamieduff1981 said:
I expect you know this, but the front lower control arms on the ST200 are not common with any other Mondeo. They are however shared with the Cougar, and the UKCougar forum always have the best leads on control arm prices because they are steep compared to normal Mondeo ones which have bushes orientated differently and are incompatible with ST200 / Cougar subframes.
You'll need a bolt set as well for them, as unless you want to drop the subframe (I've done it loads and it's bit of a faff) you'll be sawing the bolt heads off and fitting the replacements upside down.
Yes, I've had a look at Ford Parts UK and they seem competitive, but will check out the Cougar forums too.You'll need a bolt set as well for them, as unless you want to drop the subframe (I've done it loads and it's bit of a faff) you'll be sawing the bolt heads off and fitting the replacements upside down.
Regarding the lowering of the sub frame, the garage that I've been looking at are the type to do very much a proper job, they were on about dropping the sub-frame. Is it really just as good to bolt them up from the bottom? I guess you need the locking bolts of course? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it gave a result which wasn't quite right, although I've no idea how side it's bolted from could make any odds!
Mr2Mike said:
VolvoT5 said:
Well I think you are bonkers, absolutely bonkers. For that kind of money you could buy an already appreciating classic or decent modern hot hatch / saloon.
If your head and bank account rule everything you do in life then you are probably a really miserable old sod.The car is already bought and paid for (£2,400)
I had some work done before I realised quite how expensive it was going to get... (£700)
So before we start, the car owes me £3,100 but with holes in the floor and worn suspension it's worth about £500 as spare or repair.
My choice now is to either spend about £3,000 to get it right (which will mean it's worth about £2,500 lol) OR;
Scrap it, collect the £500 and crystallise an immediate £2,600 loss.
If I do that I then need to go and find a car for £3,500 (the £3K repair fund + £500 of scrap money) that floats my boat and won't have lots of problem. Far easier said than done.
So there you go, there's the man maths which proves that although this has been a total disaster, I'm better off seeing it through than I am scrapping it!
If I keep the car for two years then it'll work out cheaper than buying a new Focus for the equivalent period of time...
VolvoT5 said:
Well I think you are bonkers, absolutely bonkers. For that kind of money you could buy an already appreciating classic or decent modern hot hatch / saloon.
At this price point the idea of "appreciating" is laughable. By the time you maintain, tax, MOT, insure, a 2k car might appreciate by as much as what, £50 a year?Better to spend the money on something you actually want.
Blue Oval84 said:
Time for an update!
The car is booked in for bodywork to include-
Next I just need the mechanicals sorting which will include-
I think it's safe to say that this car would ordinarily have been scrapped by any sane owner, but by the time it's finished it should be a brilliant example, and good for quite a while longer.
I am a bit gutted that it's turned out like this as I honestly thought that I was buying a good one (and paid more for it as a result) but given the work I've ended up doing I could have bought one of the many examples that appeared to be one MOT away from the scrap yard and just fixed it up. At least my interior is pretty much mint.
Ho hum, I still love the car and even when it stands me £5K+, I'll be happy with the result.
Crivens blooming heck. Now that is a good way to waste £5k plus.The car is booked in for bodywork to include-
- New inner and outer sills
- Floor cut out back to good metal and welding back up where it is holed.
- Spare wheel well repair (found two holes in that!)
- Tow bar removed and any holes welding back up/rustproofing
- New Rear arches
- Respray exterior from the rear up to and including front doors (the edges were damaged, ironically by those door protector things that a previous owner fitted)
Next I just need the mechanicals sorting which will include-
- New Coil pack, HT leads and Sparks
- 2X Front lower arms
- 1X CV Joint
I think it's safe to say that this car would ordinarily have been scrapped by any sane owner, but by the time it's finished it should be a brilliant example, and good for quite a while longer.
I am a bit gutted that it's turned out like this as I honestly thought that I was buying a good one (and paid more for it as a result) but given the work I've ended up doing I could have bought one of the many examples that appeared to be one MOT away from the scrap yard and just fixed it up. At least my interior is pretty much mint.
Ho hum, I still love the car and even when it stands me £5K+, I'll be happy with the result.
paintman said:
Whilst I can't give you any idea as to cost - I do all my own welding - I will advise you to get it done properly. That means cutting back to sound metal & then welding in new. Will cost more than a quick plating job but it will also last a lot longer.
You'll probably be surprised how much rot you find when the job's started
^^^^This - can be something of a life sentence - get it done properly - if you're not using the car as a daily then consider doing it yourself - there is skill to it but it's not witchcraft.You'll probably be surprised how much rot you find when the job's started
Also be aware you are unlikely to ever see a return on your investment into getting it fixed with a car like this
Well, option 3 would be to do what the previous owner did - cover the rust in black underseal gunk, and sell it to someone who doesn't appreciate just what rot boxes certain era Fords are.
You would probably get your money back and ties are cleanly cut.
Getting it repaired is great, and it'll look good for a few years until it needs doing all over again.
Not that I've been there and done that or anything...
You would probably get your money back and ties are cleanly cut.
Getting it repaired is great, and it'll look good for a few years until it needs doing all over again.
Not that I've been there and done that or anything...
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Well, option 3 would be to do what the previous owner did - cover the rust in black underseal gunk, and sell it to someone who doesn't appreciate just what rot boxes certain era Fords are.
You would probably get your money back and ties are cleanly cut.
Getting it repaired is great, and it'll look good for a few years until it needs doing all over again.
Not that I've been there and done that or anything...
I suppose it depends on how broken your moral compass is.You would probably get your money back and ties are cleanly cut.
Getting it repaired is great, and it'll look good for a few years until it needs doing all over again.
Not that I've been there and done that or anything...
A family member started to rebuild a Nova that had been in the family sincere the 1980's; he had the engine bored, custom gearbox, custom interior made using original 80's/90's VX panels.
The engine imploded and he is now in the process of fitting a VX220 2.2, he has hardly done any engine or body work (full bare metal strip down and respect) himself.
Over £30,000 spent, be could have bought a F355 or classic 911 ....
It's your money, off you enjoy the Mondeo then enjoy it !
The engine imploded and he is now in the process of fitting a VX220 2.2, he has hardly done any engine or body work (full bare metal strip down and respect) himself.
Over £30,000 spent, be could have bought a F355 or classic 911 ....
It's your money, off you enjoy the Mondeo then enjoy it !
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
skyrover said:
I suppose it depends on how broken your moral compass is.
Heh...morals - selling second hand cars?Hmmm.
Finding out that it has a laundry list of problems underneath, then watching in awe as the suspension went from "fine" to "borked" in the space of a few weeks and the engine developed a miss that was absolutely not there when I picked it up was a bit of a kick in the tits to be quite honest. (I think a good chunk of this may well be down to the car having done relatively low mileage and then suddenly I've started using it...)
For the avoidance of doubt, and to prove I'm not mental, if I'd known this would happen I'd never have bought it, I'm now just trying to make the best of a bad job.
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