RE: 2024 Aston Martin Vantage | PH Review
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P.Griffin said:
I do like the way it looks, but as someone earlier said, peak Aston for me was the DBS. Anyway, times change and this is a very handsome thing indeed. However, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think it sounds terrible, at least from the test videos. Like a flatulent Corvette. Big part of the appeal for me is th engine sound and they have not nailed this.
I think this is the main divide between Vantage and DB12 now, very similar specs but Vantage the ‘hot rod’ balls out loud car and the DB12 for GT’ing with the wife. Not sure Vantage should be referred to as the "baby Aston" anymore, it is no longer an entry model, rather the super sports car alternative to the more GT focused DB12. Aside from the lack of rear seats, it's gunning for the 911 Turbo S. Hence, the reassuringly expensive pricing. I really hope these facelift models succeed and put much needed money back into the coffers to service the huge debt AM has.
davide66 said:
Time Aston along with Bentley and Rolls Royce were put were put out to pasture. The glory days long gone, pale imitations with no class
Sounds like utter nonsense to me. Arguably none of them have ever made such competent well engineered cars as they are doing so now. Nor have they ever been so successful. davide66 said:
Time Aston along with Bentley and Rolls Royce were put were put out to pasture. The glory days long gone, pale imitations with no class
Nah, it's high time for your opinion to be put out to pasture as you are not the arbiter of taste for the rest of us. Clearly the people who actually are in the market for these cars do not care if you don't like what these manufacturers make today and the proof of that is in the sales numbers, particularly for Rolls-Royce and Bentley.But go ahead and keep on screaming at the sky; in the meantime, everyone else will be enjoying their newly purchased cars and getting on their lives.
davide66 said:
Time Aston along with Bentley and Rolls Royce were put were put out to pasture. The glory days long gone, pale imitations with no class
Neither Rolls Royce or Bentley build anything I would buy if I had the money but I look at the engineering, craftsmanship and attention to build details and think... f
k Yeah!As for this Aston? Either metallic yellow to match the bike or Estoril blue
davide66 said:
Time Aston along with Bentley and Rolls Royce were put were put out to pasture. The glory days long gone, pale imitations with no class
Aside from the fact Bentley and Rolls Royce are more successful, recording higher sales, wider customer profiles, greater profits and greater owner satisfaction than at any point in their respective history?But yeah, Davide from the UK says they're pale imitations so they should be taken to a field and shot.
Glenn63 said:
And the weight difference would bother me less than the state of the Roma interior with those ridiculous haptic buttons that every single person that uses them says are useless but Ferrari continue with anyway.
Do those Ferrari buttons send a pulse to your thumb when pressed? If they don’t, they are not actually classed as haptic buttons, and would just be a “button” that is touch sensitive. A traditional mechanical clicky button is also a haptic button because you can feel it click when you press it.
Lots of people (journos, podcasters and youtubers included) are making the mistake of looking at touch sensitive buttons on glassy piano black surfaces and calling them all “haptic buttons” at the moment. They are all touch sensitive, and can be good or bad depending on the way they are executed. They can be haptic or non-haptic.
This may not be the case this time, if those referenced Ferrari buttons do give a pulse when pressed.
Remember when you were a kid and you got to sit in an Aston Martin, and the interior looked like nothing you'd ever seen? Acres of fancy metals and real veneer and leather stitching and other such things you couldn't get in a Ford Escort, even if your dad did have the 2.0 Ghia. When you sat in an Aston, you didn't need the badges to tell you you were sitting in an Aston.
So why does that interior look like it could be from a mid-range BMW or Audi?
They really need to up their game, that interior is just so... nothing!
So why does that interior look like it could be from a mid-range BMW or Audi?
They really need to up their game, that interior is just so... nothing!
Jermy Claxon said:
Remember when you were a kid and you got to sit in an Aston Martin, and the interior looked like nothing you'd ever seen? Acres of fancy metals and real veneer and leather stitching and other such things you couldn't get in a Ford Escort, even if your dad did have the 2.0 Ghia. When you sat in an Aston, you didn't need the badges to tell you you were sitting in an Aston.
So why does that interior look like it could be from a mid-range BMW or Audi?
They really need to up their game, that interior is just so... nothing!
Nope, don't recall that at all. My granddad might. This is from the era that some on here think is peak AM. Lots of plastic, some Volvo switchgear and poorly glued leather. So why does that interior look like it could be from a mid-range BMW or Audi?
They really need to up their game, that interior is just so... nothing!
Cold said:
Nope, don't recall that at all. My granddad might. This is from the era that some on here think is peak AM. Lots of plastic, some Volvo switchgear and poorly glued leather.
Illustrating a poor Aston interior, and not posting a DB7? Wow.DB9/Vantage weren't peak AM by any stretch, but by God the interiors, the styling, and the handling were better than the 90s.
samoht said:
NGK210 said:
It needs the ‘cod mouth’ to maximise air-flow due to the turbos’ hot-V configuration
Yeah, and more broadly it needs the gaping mouth because it develops 650hp. Given that efficiency is hard to significantly increase so is fairly constant, heat output is a constant ratio to power output. 30% more hp means 30% more heat means 30% more airflow to remove said heat.High-power cars involve a huge amount of thermodynamic work to shed heat without too much drag, a dozen separate types of radiator (water, charge, oil, A/C, ...) and complex configurations of hot and cold air and water flow. F1 cars are similarly challenged.
The Aston Valkyrie has 1140bhp, and doesn't have a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Pininfarina Battista has 1876bhp and doesn't had a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Bugatti Chiron super sport has 1578bhp and doesn't .....
The McLaren Senna has 800bhp and doesn't...
I could name a dozen more, all with much more power, but I think you get my point now.
It doesn't 'need' to have a grill like that, and I find it ugly.
That's all I'm saying.
Nik Gnashers said:
I'm genuinely not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, honestly and completely openly.
The Aston Valkyrie has 1140bhp, and doesn't have a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Pininfarina Battista has 1876bhp and doesn't had a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Bugatti Chiron super sport has 1578bhp and doesn't .....
The McLaren Senna has 800bhp and doesn't...
I could name a dozen more, all with much more power, but I think you get my point now.
It doesn't 'need' to have a grill like that, and I find it ugly.
That's all I'm saying.
No, you're right. It needs to take in a lot of air but there are choices about how the vents are arranged and styled, it doesn't have to look as it does.The Aston Valkyrie has 1140bhp, and doesn't have a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Pininfarina Battista has 1876bhp and doesn't had a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Bugatti Chiron super sport has 1578bhp and doesn't .....
The McLaren Senna has 800bhp and doesn't...
I could name a dozen more, all with much more power, but I think you get my point now.
It doesn't 'need' to have a grill like that, and I find it ugly.
That's all I'm saying.
(The Battista is battery electric so isn't subject to the same ratio of heat : power as ICE cars, but the others are fair comparisons).
Cold said:
Nope, don't recall that at all. My granddad might. This is from the era that some on here think is peak AM. Lots of plastic, some Volvo switchgear and poorly glued leather.
That cabin came out in 2005 and I'd say it's mostly leather and doesn't have "lots" of plastic. The dash, door cards, transmission tunnel / console all leather. I'm not sure which bits that are plastic you'd expect to be made from another material? Some of the detail quality may be lacking, but the design has held up awfully well. Crisp, coherent, elegant.Try a Ferrari from the same period, the 430 that came out a year earlier, and it looks like a kit car. As for dodgy Fisher Price plastic, try a 2005 Merc SL. Utterly awful. The Aston looks more contemporary / less dated than a Porsche 997 interior, too, which also came out around the same time.
I'm not saying the Vantage interior is perfect, and I don't own one so no dog in the fight, but you've got to assess it in context, and I'd say its interior was very much a strong point at launch and has held up better than comparable cars from the period.
Nik Gnashers said:
samoht said:
NGK210 said:
It needs the ‘cod mouth’ to maximise air-flow due to the turbos’ hot-V configuration
Yeah, and more broadly it needs the gaping mouth because it develops 650hp. Given that efficiency is hard to significantly increase so is fairly constant, heat output is a constant ratio to power output. 30% more hp means 30% more heat means 30% more airflow to remove said heat.High-power cars involve a huge amount of thermodynamic work to shed heat without too much drag, a dozen separate types of radiator (water, charge, oil, A/C, ...) and complex configurations of hot and cold air and water flow. F1 cars are similarly challenged.
The Aston Valkyrie has 1140bhp, and doesn't have a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Pininfarina Battista has 1876bhp and doesn't had a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Bugatti Chiron super sport has 1578bhp and doesn't .....
The McLaren Senna has 800bhp and doesn't...
I could name a dozen more, all with much more power, but I think you get my point now.
It doesn't 'need' to have a grill like that, and I find it ugly.
That's all I'm saying.
jamsp00n said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but totally do not get the styling of this and the DB12. Uglier, fussier and less distinctively Aston than the original design. I even think this redesign of the Vantage possibly looks more dated than the original.
Interior is an improvement, but it's pretty forgettable. These cars are not a patch on the cohesiveness and class of the original DB9 and Vantage, in era.
In the minority? Maybe! Doesn't mean you are wrong and I agree with you sentiments 100%Interior is an improvement, but it's pretty forgettable. These cars are not a patch on the cohesiveness and class of the original DB9 and Vantage, in era.
Nik Gnashers said:
samoht said:
NGK210 said:
It needs the ‘cod mouth’ to maximise air-flow due to the turbos’ hot-V configuration
Yeah, and more broadly it needs the gaping mouth because it develops 650hp. Given that efficiency is hard to significantly increase so is fairly constant, heat output is a constant ratio to power output. 30% more hp means 30% more heat means 30% more airflow to remove said heat.High-power cars involve a huge amount of thermodynamic work to shed heat without too much drag, a dozen separate types of radiator (water, charge, oil, A/C, ...) and complex configurations of hot and cold air and water flow. F1 cars are similarly challenged.
The Aston Valkyrie has 1140bhp, and doesn't have a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Pininfarina Battista has 1876bhp and doesn't had a gaping cod mouth grill.
The Bugatti Chiron super sport has 1578bhp and doesn't .....
The McLaren Senna has 800bhp and doesn't...
I could name a dozen more, all with much more power, but I think you get my point now.
It doesn't 'need' to have a grill like that, and I find it ugly.
That's all I'm saying.
Cooling a rear-mounted engine is easier because there’s less trapped heat due to myriad venting options out of a car’s Aris’.
I think it looks absolutely mega. Much better resolved than the previous car, somehow. Maybe it's just the extra width in the arches. And I think the front end will probably look better in the metal (the previous one certainly did). For me it's not overly fussy, it just has some aggression and nice surfacing. If you want a more elegant GT, get a DB12.
It's very much Ferrari Roma money, though. But I prefer the interior, side profile and rear of the Aston. Would make a great twin test. Get on it, Pistonheads. :-)
It's very much Ferrari Roma money, though. But I prefer the interior, side profile and rear of the Aston. Would make a great twin test. Get on it, Pistonheads. :-)
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