Just Spent An Afternoon With A Car Dealer (BMW)...and...
Discussion
Biggriff said:
There are two things visible from space, the Great Wall of China and the amount of 1 Series BMW's at Brunters. Low spec non diesel are impossible to shift unless silly low sale prices and BMW are now in the old Rover game of keeping cars off the market to protect residuals.
Stupid really as the market decides the price.
Best trade in was the Chrysler Jeep at £27k which the guy was offered £4.5k to trade in. Unbelievably he took it and bought another!!!!!
I think the problem the 1 series has is that if your going premium then do it properly I wouldnt want anything bar SE spec and really I'd hold out and buy a nice M Sport.Stupid really as the market decides the price.
Best trade in was the Chrysler Jeep at £27k which the guy was offered £4.5k to trade in. Unbelievably he took it and bought another!!!!!
Its surprising given the fact that All car makers changed to Just in time production & accounting as that is the most efficient way to produce cars. the Japanese excel at it - well they created it.
Maybe Im thinking too much here but maybe BMW pruduced a lot when the gap between the Euro was at its weakest against the pound therefore ensuring that the car stays at a reasonable price to the buyer.
Welshbeef said:
Its surprising given the fact that All car makers changed to Just in time production & accounting as that is the most efficient way to produce cars. the Japanese excel at it - well they created it.
Once a car factory production line is running then it has to keep producing cars - it can't stop until a dealership salesman rings through another order. The parts cost of making a car is pretty low (about a third of the pre-tax list price) so it's cheaper to just keep churning cars out. The alternative is to stop production completely for days or weeks at a time and send all the employees home.smartie said:
I've just bought a 2007 S80 4.4 AWD V8 with 6800 miles, every option, list price approx £47K..... for £14 retail from a Volvo dealer!
Didn't have any XC90s for similar money did he? I'm one of few folk in the country in the market for a 4x4 but struggling to get the spec I want...BIG BAVARIAN said:
just give the reg number to a stealer to see if the recall work was done on the vehicle e.g shell bearings replaced,if not walk away
Indeed, but as I've discovered, some cars that have had the work done have subsequently failed after the work was done, and some cars that BMW wouldn't do the work on because they said they weren't from the affected batch went on to suffer the failure. Hence why I've decided to walk away full stop.Edited by MitchT on Tuesday 26th August 20:24
jamoor said:
fluffnik said:
MitchT said:
simba1 said:
Quite a few new shape M3 in the low £40k. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/664518.htm
I think I saw that one when I was browsing a few days ago. Shame about the incredibly bland interior colour scheme!
When I see a grey interior I can't help but think of white towelling socks...
hora said:
Had a quick-check on autotrader round my way and bland-o-box Audi A3's:
You can get 3.2 V6 Quattros for similar money to TDI's and small engined-A3's....WTF?
Surely the offset of petrol £ to VED isnt THAT much to warrant driving a tractor?
The 3.2 V6 Quattros are the cheapest of the bunch around here. TDIs cost more.You can get 3.2 V6 Quattros for similar money to TDI's and small engined-A3's....WTF?
Surely the offset of petrol £ to VED isnt THAT much to warrant driving a tractor?
Band G and impending £400+ road tax, along with the aftershocks of rumours of £2 a litre, I guess.
Tempting performance bargains tho. Wonder if TT's will follow them down the toilet? My wife wants one.
LeeME3 said:
smartie said:
I've just bought a 2007 S80 4.4 AWD V8 with 6800 miles, every option, list price approx £47K..... for £14 retail from a Volvo dealer!
Didn't have any XC90s for similar money did he? I'm one of few folk in the country in the market for a 4x4 but struggling to get the spec I want...smartie said:
LeeME3 said:
smartie said:
I've just bought a 2007 S80 4.4 AWD V8 with 6800 miles, every option, list price approx £47K..... for £14 retail from a Volvo dealer!
Didn't have any XC90s for similar money did he? I'm one of few folk in the country in the market for a 4x4 but struggling to get the spec I want...internet-carlot said:
SLacKer said:
Doom and gloom.....
It is a really good buyers market now. Go into that Glass and Marble palace of an Audi, BMW, Merc dealer and offer em 20%-30% off the sticker and no part ex and they will not show you the door. It is about time the bunch of arrogant t
ts learned to appreciate customers so no bad thing.
The dealers round here are like this
at the momment.
So you would expect to walk into any prestige car dealers forecourt and on a £30k offer them between £21-£24k and for them to be interested? Let me know how you get on!! It is a really good buyers market now. Go into that Glass and Marble palace of an Audi, BMW, Merc dealer and offer em 20%-30% off the sticker and no part ex and they will not show you the door. It is about time the bunch of arrogant t
ts learned to appreciate customers so no bad thing.The dealers round here are like this
at the momment.
I was shown the door quicker than the speed of light..........
LeeME3 said:
smartie said:
LeeME3 said:
smartie said:
I've just bought a 2007 S80 4.4 AWD V8 with 6800 miles, every option, list price approx £47K..... for £14 retail from a Volvo dealer!
Didn't have any XC90s for similar money did he? I'm one of few folk in the country in the market for a 4x4 but struggling to get the spec I want...smartie said:
He did have an '05 executive for 19k - but no rear DVD.
Yep, plenty with satnav, plenty with rear DVd, but very few with both. I'll probably end up skipping on the satnav and buying the missus a new map! (She can map read, which is nice!). Just can't stand seeing after-market satnavs stuck on the windscreen.[/quote]
Once a car factory production line is running then it has to keep producing cars - it can't stop until a dealership salesman rings through another order. The parts cost of making a car is pretty low (about a third of the pre-tax list price) so it's cheaper to just keep churning cars out. The alternative is to stop production completely for days or weeks at a time and send all the employees home.
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No - if the principles of Just in time manufacturing then the car only gets built if there is an order for it. If it doesnt adhere to just in time manufacturing then yes you'd keep churning them out - however that style of mass production/high vols is exceptionally old fashioned and given the fact so many options per car its not viable today.
I have no idea if what someone has said about BMW is true but if so its a company living in the dark ages.
Just in time is the ultimate in efficiency - you have a fully flexible workforce very few suppliers but exceptionally close links and long term contracts with them, very high quality parts, exceptionally low or nil stock holding (hence zero warehouse costs/storage costs).
What you have described is say the Austin Rover of the 70's & 80's which even then way a decade or two behind the Japanese.
Welshbeef said:
I have no idea if what someone has said about BMW is true but if so its a company living in the dark ages.
Just in time is the ultimate in efficiency - you have a fully flexible workforce very few suppliers but exceptionally close links and long term contracts with them, very high quality parts, exceptionally low or nil stock holding (hence zero warehouse costs/storage costs).
What you have described is say the Austin Rover of the 70's & 80's which even then way a decade or two behind the Japanese.
All other parts are delivered when needed.
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Toyota in Derby only have enough parts onsite to keep going for 12 hours.
All other parts are delivered when needed.
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Im sure Swindon would be less than that too are they not the most efficient factory in the world even given the high Uk salaries?
I highly doubt BMW adopt the manufacturing technique of the industrial revolution if they do then they are going to have a lot of waste & cash tied up in stock.
Look at PC's say Dell every PC is made to order it has to be in that industry as if not they build too many then 3-4 months time its obsolete.
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