RE: Is Porsche Planning a GT2 RS?
Discussion
ker)peterpeter said:
PunterCam said:
No real point in porsche doing this - I'm sure they can lop off 100-150kgs easily enough, but why bother? Ultimate lap times? Irrelivant. If I'm buying a track car I'm buying the most fun and challenging car, not the fastest. Want to be fast? Buy an atom. Apparently the GT3 RS is fantastic on track, so why bother with a turbo one...
As for porsche being worried about the GTR - really? Obviously one guy in their PR department was pissed about it, but it's seriously doubtfull one of the richest car companies on the planet are worried about a low volume, crass and tasteless electronics fest from nissan.
EVO may have raved about it, but in that same 'car of the year' artical they mentioned its complete lack of sense of occasion. I don't know about everyone else, but a sense of occasion is why I buy a car. I want to hear a fantastic engine, I want to feel special sitting in it, I want to understand the car - not just trust it to work. The GTR is just a very fast car, which makes it very boring.
without starting a gtr vs porsche argument,As for porsche being worried about the GTR - really? Obviously one guy in their PR department was pissed about it, but it's seriously doubtfull one of the richest car companies on the planet are worried about a low volume, crass and tasteless electronics fest from nissan.
EVO may have raved about it, but in that same 'car of the year' artical they mentioned its complete lack of sense of occasion. I don't know about everyone else, but a sense of occasion is why I buy a car. I want to hear a fantastic engine, I want to feel special sitting in it, I want to understand the car - not just trust it to work. The GTR is just a very fast car, which makes it very boring.
I can happily tell you that having driven both the GTR and all versions of the GT3 and GT3 RS, on the track and road,...you are talking utter rubbish.
The GTR comes shockingly close for fun on the track and it pummels the gt porsches on road. It is hugely entertaining. You may find it "crass and tasteless" but thats your opinion. Again, how you can say its boring without driving one is beyond me.
I've driven both the GTR and a number of 911 derivatives too (big deal, many have) and I'd have several cars over the GTR. It is lacking in many areas for me, and the fact that my 81yr old Mum-in-Law can drive it with ease says it all. Electronic engineering is all well and good, but it takes away too much of the drivers required skill input IMHO. It is fun to drive, yes. But it does get boring when you realise you aren't actually doing the clever bit ;-)
With regard to the GT2 going on a diet...hmmm, not sure about 200kgs (100 to 150 max perhaps), but heck, it will make it more nimble, either way.
A marketing exercise? Perhaps. Why not if you can though? They won't have any trouble in selling all they build (both RHD & LHD), plus the drive train will be bomb-proof, LOL. ;-)
Rich_W said:
Harry Flashman said:
"but some owners have found it more suited to the road than the track. An RS version would solve that"
Translated: "Porsche's supercar is being whipped by a £50k Nissan, and they desperately need to recover some dignity by pretending the souped up GT2 is for a completely different reason".
Heh.
Exactly. Saying that Nissan should just compared to the Turbo.Translated: "Porsche's supercar is being whipped by a £50k Nissan, and they desperately need to recover some dignity by pretending the souped up GT2 is for a completely different reason".
Heh.
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There would also be other substantial weight-saving measures to contribute to an incredible 200kg reduction.
I have no doubt that the GT-R had a lot to do with this. I have a 997GT3RS which is a great car, and I will keep it That being said, I would still personally prefer to follow the naturally aspirated, ( and much cheaper) GT3 evolution. I will get the 998 if if ever shows up. Of course, the GT2 RS will be much,much quicker,but even the current car I have is a better car than I am a driver, so all that extra capability is wasted on me.
Of course, Gemballa/Ruf/9FF (and others) will make you a 600BHP+ 911 so you have to wonder why the good people of Stuttgart feel its worth doing anyway
Johnny997gt2 said:
I'm a previous owner of a 996 GT3 RS, a 996 GT2 (which I killed after only a few weeks ownership)
This kind of emphasised what I was thinking when reading this thread. You have to be some kind of driving genius to extract the full potential from a 'standard' GT2. With about 470 bhp/ton you would have to be Walter Rohrl to get anywhere near the performance potential.This just strikes me as a cynical exercise to get one over on Nissan, the ultimate product of which will be a bunch of charred footballers wedged in trees.
spoonoff said:
Johnny997gt2 said:
I'm a previous owner of a 996 GT3 RS, a 996 GT2 (which I killed after only a few weeks ownership)
This kind of emphasised what I was thinking when reading this thread. You have to be some kind of driving genius to extract the full potential from a 'standard' GT2. With about 470 bhp/ton you would have to be Walter Rohrl to get anywhere near the performance potential.This just strikes me as a cynical exercise to get one over on Nissan, the ultimate product of which will be a bunch of charred footballers wedged in trees.
There will only be 10 RHD cars which will undountably go to hand picked customers much like Lambo did with the Reventon.
You're (unfortunately) very unlikely to ever see one on the road.
havoc said:
Ahonen said:
havoc said:
ScottL said:
The current GT2 weighs 1,440kg's and is of course rear wheel drive only.
Guy's right - loosing 200 kilos sounds very unlikely, bear in mind an RSR weighs 1245.
I reckon 1350 is more likely.
Agreed. Guy's right - loosing 200 kilos sounds very unlikely, bear in mind an RSR weighs 1245.
I reckon 1350 is more likely.
Unless they decide to make substantial use of carbon fibre (or, worse, fibreglass or plastic!
). And junk every single toy from the car as standard and make you pay to put them all back in again...Porsche always underplays its claims (as do all the Germans), so if they say it's possible it generally is.
As an extreme example - what's the saving on the Renault Megane R.26R???
The 2005-on 2.0t megane is 1255kg
The R26.R is 1230kg
so the net difference after they put the roll cage in appears to be only a 25kg loss.
I can't believe that those figures are correct!!!! if so, what's the point, just put 888's on a normal turbo. I got the stats from different sites. Can someone check the figs please!
Greg
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