Estate Sleepers

[300bhp/ton]

BillyB said:

300bhp/ton said:

Or to put it another way, what other estate of this size/mpg can manage 0-60mph in 8.2 sec with a top speed of 137mph?

If we ignore the RWD criterion, the Octavia vRS will better those figures.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?m...

Yes it does, although only 3hp more and 0.5 quicker at full tilt.

Being a turbo small engine it'll also drive different. Certainly a good alternative though

[300bhp/ton]

Chris_w666 said:

BillyB said:

300bhp/ton said:

Or to put it another way, what other estate of this size/mpg can manage 0-60mph in 8.2 sec with a top speed of 137mph?

If we ignore the RWD criterion, the Octavia vRS will better those figures.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?m...

Have a look at the figures for the 407 I posted. I genuinely know sod all about how they drive but the engine is great.

I think its a PSA engine, same as you'll get in a Jaguar XJ or S type diesel or in a Discovery 3.

[S3_Graham]

GravelBen said:

monthefish said:

For me? no.

The big alloys, bonnet scoop, flared skirts and tinted glass all detract from its 'sleeper' credentials.......

Fair enough - its all factory standard, the scoop is needed for the intercooler etc. Go for the 3.0 H6 Legacy to avoid the scoop, thought its a bit slower.

I'd go for a newer legacy 3.0L spec B

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1262021.htm

[rykard]

v6 Xtype?

[Fordo]

S3_Graham said:

I'd go for a newer legacy 3.0L spec B

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1262021.htm

nice option. Id forgotten about those. lot of car for the money, and they have a lot of toys

[Snoggledog]

Forester STi?

[Jem0911]

rykard said:

v6 Xtype?

Rubbish looking estate car!

[BillyB]

That's a lot of car for the cash.

Funny story about the seller's Mrs. Mine won't drive my "family" car either!

[The Riddler]

Whaddabout a remapped V70 D5? Awesome on fuel, not exactly slow, safe and reliable.

I would have also of reccomended a V70R, but they are greedy little bds at the best of time.

[pits]

GravelBen said:

Quote I recently heard from a VR4 owner: "17mpg is easier to achieve than 22"

My 280bhp Legacy averages around 26-27mpg and 30-33 is easy to do while making good progress on a run, and offers the same level of performance as a manual VR4 - same power, slightly less torque but 100kg less weight as well.

ETA: Sleepy looking enough for you?

Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 29th September 20:55

My auto VR4 is averaging 22mpg at the moment, even got 34mpg out of it aswell, depends how you drive it, worst I ever got was 12mpg

[Wharfer]

The Riddler said:

Whaddabout a remapped V70 D5? Awesome on fuel, not exactly slow, safe and reliable.

I would have also of reccomended a V70R, but they are greedy little bds at the best of time.

How about a V50 T5 instead?

[300bhp/ton]

Jem0911 said:

rykard said:

v6 Xtype?

Rubbish looking estate car!

Most reviews normally prise it on its looks, driving dynamics and abilities.

I think it looks good, esp in sport trim. What don't you like about it?

[The Riddler]

Wharfer said:

The Riddler said:

Whaddabout a remapped V70 D5? Awesome on fuel, not exactly slow, safe and reliable.

I would have also of reccomended a V70R, but they are greedy little bds at the best of time.

How about a V50 T5 instead?

Not so good on fuel? No idea what the AWD system is like on the S40/V50 either.

[Mars]

Fordo said:

S3_Graham said:

I'd go for a newer legacy 3.0L spec B

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1262021.htm

nice option. Id forgotten about those. lot of car for the money, and they have a lot of toys

Wallet-puckering fuel economy though. Mine's not the SpecB (it's the 3.0Rn) but the difference is really only the suspension anyway, and even though I drive mine hard, 22mpg translates to frequent visits to the petrol pumps.

Still, what the hell else should I spend my money on? I don't smoke, rarely drink and have little interest in anything other than cars. Fuel economy is for "other people".

[BillyB]

Mars said:

Wallet-puckering fuel economy though.

You are not wrong (parkers claims 23 mgp combined). Makes the 3l engine in my BMW530i look positively parsimonious.

[Chris_w666]

300bhp/ton said:

Chris_w666 said:

BillyB said:

300bhp/ton said:

Or to put it another way, what other estate of this size/mpg can manage 0-60mph in 8.2 sec with a top speed of 137mph?

If we ignore the RWD criterion, the Octavia vRS will better those figures.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?m...

Have a look at the figures for the 407 I posted. I genuinely know sod all about how they drive but the engine is great.

I think its a PSA engine, same as you'll get in a Jaguar XJ or S type diesel or in a Discovery 3.

I am pretty sure it is, get an XJ or S type for anywhere near the money of a good 407 and you will be doing well.

But of course being French it will break. If I was in the market for a sub £15k GT type car I think a near new 2.7hdi coupe could be the bargain of the century.

Edited by Chris_w666 on Wednesday 30th September 14:13

[gareth_r]

Nissan Stagea Autech 260RS... except for the fuel economy.... and the non-sleeper appearance......

Edited by gareth_r on Wednesday 30th September 14:32

[3Dom]

Damn beat me to it!

You could also get it with the GTR bodykit!



But like he said not a sleeper, but nor are many sporty V8 estates in my opinion

[stu67]

A vote for the Saab 9-5 Aero, I'm on my 2nd now and just couldn't find anything to match it in the price range I was looking at. 260bhp and can be tuned a lot more, not the best at corners but for comfort and pace takes a lot (well a lot more money) to better

[D188ERS]

sorry to be boring away from the jap estates, but what about a laguna 2 "facelift", in GT guise?

175bhp diesel / 205 bhp petrol. lots and lots of space and kit, not to mention high-ish mpg. from memory, performance is between 7s and 8s for "that" benchmark.

something like this...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2009...

...but, from experience, choose carefully...