RE: Group Test: The Ultimate Air-Cooled 911

[soad]

These motors look lovely. Rememeber the GT2-look Turbo write-up a while ago.

[MrTappets]

I think the 993 was always my idea of the ultimate 911. That blue turbo is just stunning... though i'm sure i've seen it mentioned somewhere here before.

[zakelwe]

Yes, I like these old tests too, though perhaps they could be a bit longer? BMW M5 from various ages springs to mind...

Or how about old v new - Lancia Integrale v new Golf R?

Andy

[Dagnut]

Ungrateful bunch of w@nkers.

Good write up, love the blue turbo. Keep it coming, as long as I get to read about special cars I don't care if your plugging GM.

[jackal]

Dagnut said:

Ungrateful bunch of w@nkers.

Good write up, love the blue turbo. Keep it coming, as long as I get to read about special cars I don't care if your plugging GM.

if every advert on TV was for mcdonalds, you'd be swearing even more over in the 'Tv and Film' forum... trust me

if you heard the Crazy Frog song on the radio twice a day every day you'd probably buy a length of rope and hang yourself

[Marquis_Rex]

musclecarmad said:

CTT said:

Bencolem said:

andy74b said:

markmullen said:

Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.

maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk.

If I'd asked a dealer to sell my car on my behalf and had left it with them to do so then I'd be more than happy to see the amount of promotion they'd achieved to increase awareness and chance of sale. The pictures suggest more of a short run around some local roads - I doubt much mechanical 'unsympathy' would have been dished out or allowed. I'd also be more discreet than to post on here the first time you learn about it rather than talking to the dealer direct...

My thoughts exaclty - what fantastic advertising everybody is now discussing your very expensive niche car, which may just help it to sell. Moulton have a reputaion to keep, and i'm sure ph arnt going to drive it like jonny concrete

Edited by CTT on Tuesday 29th December 13:30

That's not the point, the owner, andy, will have presumably worked his entire life non stop to work to the point he can afford such a wonderful car. Then, without asking, someone (not a potential purchaser) rags it around adding miles to his car and risking damaging it. The article states that the journo was doing 120mph in one of the cars.

I would not for a minute let someone out in the car without my express permission first and I think its bad form to do so - you expect trust and respect from a garage and the owner of the car didnt get it.

You don't work hard all your life for someone to then just go out and razz your Porsche around the block without your permission - it's insulting.

I had heard really good things about SCOM too.

Agreed. Can't believe the bunch of calous losers on here (including a former salesman-unsupringly). Hard earned Money must come from somewhere- and even if it is SOR- there should still be respect for someone elses property- that means contacting and pre-arranging this kind of thing before hand. It's not as if the specialist dealership is trying to sell this car out of the goodness of their heart - they will take their pound of flesh when the the deal is done and they didn't even have to invest any capital in obtaining the car.
Must be nice being a car salesman with this carefree attitude- but some of us have to actually save up before we hoon around in decent machinary

[Great Pretender]

We're not in possession of all the facts lest we forget. Until then it would be wrong to speculate non?

[ferrisbueller]

Great Pretender said:

We're not in possession of all the facts lest we forget. Until then it would be wrong to speculate non?

Hell, No. Facts are soooo last year. They should never be allowed to get in the way of a lynching!

[johnnywishbone]

Guys !
You are all jumping to the wrong conclusions ! Nothing was premeditated or done underhand ! The chaps from piston heads arrange to come up on a specific day to test and photograph some cars they chose the cars when they arrived ! The photo location was less than a mile away from our showroom (if someone turned up to buy a car and asked for a test drive we would have travelled a lot more !) I have apologised to the owner for not contacting him ! And can assure him and anyone else one here that the car was not abused at all ! If you are all petrol heads then don’t you think its brilliant to be able to read about old cars not just new ones ! We cherish owners cars as if they my own and can guarantee you there is no carefree attitude all !
Kind regards


John

[g7jhp]

Marquis_Rex said:

There a no naming and shaming policy here so ill leave it at that. Only add that ill never go and will never Have to go to those clowns in Meridien, West Midlands (part of a gas station ;-))

Shirley not

[adycav]

g7jhp said:

Marquis_Rex said:

There a no naming and shaming policy here so ill leave it at that. Only add that ill never go and will never Have to go to those clowns in Meridien, West Midlands (part of a gas station ;-))

Shirley not

I see what you did there...

[Marquis_Rex]

[Dagnut]

jackal said:

Dagnut said:

Ungrateful bunch of w@nkers.

Good write up, love the blue turbo. Keep it coming, as long as I get to read about special cars I don't care if your plugging GM.

if every advert on TV was for mcdonalds, you'd be swearing even more over in the 'Tv and Film' forum... trust me

if you heard the Crazy Frog song on the radio twice a day every day you'd probably buy a length of rope and hang yourself

This is a free website at the end of the day, if I was paying a magazine subscription I'd feel a bit let down if the writers were plugging a garage unnecessarily, but I'm not, I come here during the day for a 5 minute break from work

[pSyCoSiS]

What a monster that 993 Turbo is - def one of my dream cars!

Brilliant write-up - well done lads.

[Niffty951]

Shame comments have been cloudy. Lovely to see an article with some older, superb cars tested years later with a fresh perspective and new cars to compare tham to. Pity it was so short.

I'd be interested in hearing if there are any miles in the statement about the roof coming off though? Not the kind of thing I associate with the car having had my 944 at 170+ and feeling as calm, solid and quiet as 70.

[r1ch]

Terrific write up and pictures

[wtdoom]

skid said:

andy74b said:

markmullen said:

Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.

maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk.

There's 2 ways to look at this;
1. If they're servicing or storing your car then big no no and you have a right to throw toys out of the pram.

2. If you've asked them to sell your vehicle on any kind of sale or return (SOR)basis, then what the hell do you expect???? If it's sale or return they haven't risked any capital in funding the stock, but they've put the effort in to marketing your vehicle, rather than one they have ten's of thousand's of pounds invested in. It's all to easy for a dealer to leave a sale or return car at the back of the lot becasue there's no risk in it. So if indeed your relationship with them is oa SOR basis then I'd say get off your bloody high horse! What do you expect, them to NOT do their job??????

Jeez, cars don't sell them selves you know!

Mark (a former dealer)

one of my 993 rs's is there at the moment but im not sure for how long now to be honest with you . there better be a bloody good explanation for this .
as for you " mark , former dealer " . how bloody dare you ? how unbelievable an opinion .
a dealer makes a tidy sum from an sor thank you very much ( youd know tis if you were any good . ) also in the current climate dealers should be fighting to get a 993 gt2 in their showrooms .
it seems obvious to me why you are a former dealer . i give none of my cars to the press to drive .
it is my choice to make not yours . even if you take no commission from me i would much rather you gave me the car back with a " i cant sell this take it back please and heres a bill for the storage " .
please explain to me how journalists ragging a car to within an inch of its life helps sell a car . if you are in the market for a 993 gt2 you know all about them and ( with respect to journalists out there ) do not need another review confirming that you like it .
i am truly stunned at your ignorance .

[RacingPete]

These three cars are simply epic and I have to admit that being privileged to drive them for an afternoon is a memory I will keep till I own one of them myself. I always thought my first lottery purchase would be a 997 GT3 RS, after driving the 993 GT2 I now know that this will not be the case and I will be straight away up to SCOM to buy the grey one I drove.

Though I am surprised by the comments of everyone saying that they can't believe they let a journalist drive the car. Obviously the wheel spinning loutish behaviour of Top Gear on their road tests has tainted the view that when someone from the press jumps in a car they have no mechanical respect for the car and just have to "rag the car to an inch of its life". That is far from the truth, every single car I have road tested I have treated as my own and in this case I drove the cars with more respect than I would have if I was testing the car for the view of buying it. Personally I find it insulting that the fact we were not interested in buying the cars (though if we had the money we would be snapping them up) that we would be hooligans looking to joy ride the car.

All the cars on the day were treated incredibly well around roads I know like the back of my hand (having grown up in Malton) and I think they were better treated than if any joe public off the street had come in looking to buy.

[AstonV12]

Great Pretender said:

We're not in possession of all the facts lest we forget. Until then it would be wrong to speculate non?

Doesnt look anything remotely like winter in the pictures ...months ago maybe?

[FishFace]

wtdoom said:

skid said:

andy74b said:

markmullen said:

Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.

maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk.

There's 2 ways to look at this;
1. If they're servicing or storing your car then big no no and you have a right to throw toys out of the pram.

2. If you've asked them to sell your vehicle on any kind of sale or return (SOR)basis, then what the hell do you expect???? If it's sale or return they haven't risked any capital in funding the stock, but they've put the effort in to marketing your vehicle, rather than one they have ten's of thousand's of pounds invested in. It's all to easy for a dealer to leave a sale or return car at the back of the lot becasue there's no risk in it. So if indeed your relationship with them is oa SOR basis then I'd say get off your bloody high horse! What do you expect, them to NOT do their job??????

Jeez, cars don't sell them selves you know!

Mark (a former dealer)

one of my 993 rs's is there at the moment but im not sure for how long now to be honest with you . there better be a bloody good explanation for this .
as for you " mark , former dealer " . how bloody dare you ? how unbelievable an opinion .
a dealer makes a tidy sum from an sor thank you very much ( youd know tis if you were any good . ) also in the current climate dealers should be fighting to get a 993 gt2 in their showrooms .
it seems obvious to me why you are a former dealer . i give none of my cars to the press to drive .
it is my choice to make not yours . even if you take no commission from me i would much rather you gave me the car back with a " i cant sell this take it back please and heres a bill for the storage " .
please explain to me how journalists ragging a car to within an inch of its life helps sell a car . if you are in the market for a 993 gt2 you know all about them and ( with respect to journalists out there ) do not need another review confirming that you like it .
i am truly stunned at your ignorance .

You certainly didn't make your money from the written word...

"ragging a car to within an inch of its life" - says who?