4X4 Ski Car Needed
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duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though 
Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
MattW said:
duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
Bluebarge said:
MattW said:
duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
This is further explored and explained by the other link. Very illuminating. I'd suggest anyone considering a 4x4/AWD vehicle in future watches that. Seems to sort the "men from the boys" in terms of effective AWD cars.
Bluebarge said:
MattW said:
duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
Tyres were irrelevant as the drive did'nt even turn the wheels that did have traction so not "all wheel drive" in fact.
MattW said:
....it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through...
It would do with two goes - look at the camera angles, they only had one camera, so how did they manage to get two different shots of the Allroad? My guess is that they did the first from a standing start (shot behind) then again from a rolling start (shot half way up).Cynical - yes, these videos are contrived to produce the result that's wanted, look at the huge kerb just out of shot in the subaru rollers video....
So A car for the Alps,
driving there several times a year in snow, chrisso, half term, easter etc, on my 2wd Volvo V70 I had snow tyres so no probs, now I drive a Subaru Outback 3.0 with standard tyres which are very grippy in snow and have never , yet needed chains even in the deepest snow.
It passses XC90s, Nissan X-Trails, Quasqais, Audis 4x4 on the mountain roads struggling for grip as their tyres are rubbish.
All down to tyres. The local postwomen in her 2wd Renault van leaves everyone for dead as she has the best snow tyres on it.
4wd is ok, though one needs the grip to go with it, so a deep cut tread is preferable.
Look at my old VOlvo tyres....proper snow ones.....i passed many an English 4wd struggling and having to put chains on.....made me smile...
The Subaru Outback has Geolander G900 tyres which are a crossover tyre and fab in snow, fun as well.
Remember it is not just the 4wd, think tyres too....
driving there several times a year in snow, chrisso, half term, easter etc, on my 2wd Volvo V70 I had snow tyres so no probs, now I drive a Subaru Outback 3.0 with standard tyres which are very grippy in snow and have never , yet needed chains even in the deepest snow.
It passses XC90s, Nissan X-Trails, Quasqais, Audis 4x4 on the mountain roads struggling for grip as their tyres are rubbish.
All down to tyres. The local postwomen in her 2wd Renault van leaves everyone for dead as she has the best snow tyres on it.
4wd is ok, though one needs the grip to go with it, so a deep cut tread is preferable.
Look at my old VOlvo tyres....proper snow ones.....i passed many an English 4wd struggling and having to put chains on.....made me smile...
The Subaru Outback has Geolander G900 tyres which are a crossover tyre and fab in snow, fun as well.
Remember it is not just the 4wd, think tyres too....
Edited by addyman on Friday 29th January 10:15
Mars said:
Bluebarge said:
MattW said:
duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
This is further explored and explained by the other link. Very illuminating. I'd suggest anyone considering a 4x4/AWD vehicle in future watches that. Seems to sort the "men from the boys" in terms of effective AWD cars.
What aroused my suspicion was that the driving technique appeared to be compleletly different between cars - the German cars were driven with some brio, others merely pootled up the slope and were allowed to conk out when a bit more speed at the outset could have achieved more progress; plus there was no attempt to show where the cars had reached in comparison to each other, the camera angles hop about all over the place and you are left to guess whether that reference point (a tree) is the same as the one in the last shot. Plus I refuse to believe that a properly driven Nissan Patrol can't make more progress than an Audi All-Road.
In short, I think the purpose of that film was to say "Aren't we Germans great?" and if you'd ever spent much time driving on snow you'd know that the right tyres make a massive, massive difference to the amount of traction you will get (2wd or 4wd). Unless all the cars were wearing the same make of tyre and were being driven in an attempt to get the best out of each of them, that film was pointless.
And the OP still doesn't need 4wd for his purposes, he just needs decent winter tyres and some chains for when the snow is deep.
Legacy Estate Spec B.
Symetrical AWD - Viscous Centre Diff - Rear LSD - incredibly sure footed.
250bhp with Bilsteins all round means it's very entertaining to drive - esp with the 6 speed box from the scooby STi.
And you get full leather, heated electric seats, and sat-nav as standard. And they are bullet proof. And they are very understated
All the car you could ever need...
Symetrical AWD - Viscous Centre Diff - Rear LSD - incredibly sure footed.
250bhp with Bilsteins all round means it's very entertaining to drive - esp with the 6 speed box from the scooby STi.
And you get full leather, heated electric seats, and sat-nav as standard. And they are bullet proof. And they are very understated
All the car you could ever need...
Bluebarge said:
Plus I refuse to believe that a properly driven Nissan Patrol can't make more progress than an Audi All-Road.
Very few vehicles will go further off road (as standard) than a Patrol/Safari. To be beaten by an Allroad would require a major difference in either tyres, driving or both.
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 29th January 12:18
Bluebarge said:
Mars said:
Bluebarge said:
MattW said:
duncansaunders said:
Watched it at work with the sound off so no idea what they were saying but it looks as if that Audi Allroad stormed through - disappointed with the XC7o though Mind you its not likley I would drive on solid snow and if I did get stuck I'd put chains on.
This is further explored and explained by the other link. Very illuminating. I'd suggest anyone considering a 4x4/AWD vehicle in future watches that. Seems to sort the "men from the boys" in terms of effective AWD cars.
What aroused my suspicion was that the driving technique appeared to be compleletly different between cars - the German cars were driven with some brio, others merely pootled up the slope and were allowed to conk out when a bit more speed at the outset could have achieved more progress; plus there was no attempt to show where the cars had reached in comparison to each other, the camera angles hop about all over the place and you are left to guess whether that reference point (a tree) is the same as the one in the last shot. Plus I refuse to believe that a properly driven Nissan Patrol can't make more progress than an Audi All-Road.
In short, I think the purpose of that film was to say "Aren't we Germans great?" and if you'd ever spent much time driving on snow you'd know that the right tyres make a massive, massive difference to the amount of traction you will get (2wd or 4wd). Unless all the cars were wearing the same make of tyre and were being driven in an attempt to get the best out of each of them, that film was pointless.
And the OP still doesn't need 4wd for his purposes, he just needs decent winter tyres and some chains for when the snow is deep.
Interesting comment (above) about the perception of there being a kerb out of shot in the Subaru "rollers" video too. All that does though (surely) is to show how without enough torque applied to the rears, a car isn't truly AWD. And anyway, in that same video, they showed the cars on the ramp *fully*, and still only the Subaru pulled further up.
addyman said:
So A car for the Alps,
driving there several times a year in snow, chrisso, half term, easter etc, on my 2wd Volvo V70 I had snow tyres so no probs, now I drive a Subaru Outback 3.0 with standard tyres which are very grippy in snow and have never , yet needed chains even in the deepest snow.
It passses XC90s, Nissan X-Trails, Quasqais, Audis 4x4 on the mountain roads struggling for grip as their tyres are rubbish.
All down to tyres. The local postwomen in her 2wd Renault van leaves everyone for dead as she has the best snow tyres on it.
4wd is ok, though one needs the grip to go with it, so a deep cut tread is preferable.
Look at my old VOlvo tyres....proper snow ones.....i passed many an English 4wd struggling and having to put chains on.....made me smile...
The Subaru Outback has Geolander G900 tyres which are a crossover tyre and fab in snow, fun as well.
Remember it is not just the 4wd, think tyres too....
Out of interest what sort of fuel economy do you get from the 3.0 Outback, I am presuming it isn't great? Just asking as I do fancy one as it has the 4x4 capability I was looking for combined with the extra space I need as well but had overlooked it as I fear I would be forever filling it up.driving there several times a year in snow, chrisso, half term, easter etc, on my 2wd Volvo V70 I had snow tyres so no probs, now I drive a Subaru Outback 3.0 with standard tyres which are very grippy in snow and have never , yet needed chains even in the deepest snow.
It passses XC90s, Nissan X-Trails, Quasqais, Audis 4x4 on the mountain roads struggling for grip as their tyres are rubbish.
All down to tyres. The local postwomen in her 2wd Renault van leaves everyone for dead as she has the best snow tyres on it.
4wd is ok, though one needs the grip to go with it, so a deep cut tread is preferable.
Look at my old VOlvo tyres....proper snow ones.....i passed many an English 4wd struggling and having to put chains on.....made me smile...
The Subaru Outback has Geolander G900 tyres which are a crossover tyre and fab in snow, fun as well.
Remember it is not just the 4wd, think tyres too....
Edited by addyman on Friday 29th January 10:15
Outback does 27-30mpg on motorways long journeys, 14-18 round town, though my old T5 did 9 yes nine round town.
What you loose on economy you really gain on purchase price as they very good value for performance, reliability and equipment......ignoring the stereo, replace the speakers adn you have a very very good car, that is compfy, goes anywjere adn can carry and tow loads....
tried hyper-miling once and you cna just get 32mpg if you go 55mpg and are gentle....
Neighbours Merc-G Wagon Snow Tyres....
tyres.....wether 2wd or 4wd, get some snow tyres, save the pain of chains and damn good laugh in the snow....plus they brilliant in muddy fields and wet weather....etc.....
What you loose on economy you really gain on purchase price as they very good value for performance, reliability and equipment......ignoring the stereo, replace the speakers adn you have a very very good car, that is compfy, goes anywjere adn can carry and tow loads....
tried hyper-miling once and you cna just get 32mpg if you go 55mpg and are gentle....
Neighbours Merc-G Wagon Snow Tyres....
tyres.....wether 2wd or 4wd, get some snow tyres, save the pain of chains and damn good laugh in the snow....plus they brilliant in muddy fields and wet weather....etc.....
Edited by addyman on Friday 29th January 17:31
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