RE: Evora S Sports Racer: Intro
Discussion
DeltonaS said:
otolith said:
But if I wanted something bigger and "more grown up", I'd have bought a Porsche. Or a Z4 or an SLK. That market is well served.
Not that big, the 4C for instance is little wider and longer than an Elise and has a dashboard, seats and not paddings, a centre consol etc. It's a bit more substantial.
How do any of the features you cite make it drive better?
justin220 said:
Alfa marketted the 4C extremely well though, Lotus made a pigs ear of launching the Evora.
The general motoring public wentdaft when the new shape Cayman launched. Even non motoring people were talking about it. Its all just clever marketing
It's also a damn fine car, having an exceptional product makes marketing a lot easierThe general motoring public wentdaft when the new shape Cayman launched. Even non motoring people were talking about it. Its all just clever marketing
otolith said:
The 4C is much larger than the Elise. It's wider than a Cayman, Z4 or SLK.
How do any of the features you cite make it drive better?
It isn't.......How do any of the features you cite make it drive better?
Those features, as you've probably read, make it a bit more car. And not a cramped go-cart on steroids.
And the cf tub does the rest, lowering the weight to Elise spec.
justin220 said:
Alfa marketted the 4C extremely well though, Lotus made a pigs ear of launching the Evora.
The general motoring public wentdaft when the new shape Cayman launched. Even non motoring people were talking about it. Its all just clever marketing
A year or so ago the specialist press and even national dailies were full of Lotus' grand plans for a range of high performance cars. There's an awful lot more to the success of any car than 'just clever marketing', as any good marketeer would tell you.The general motoring public wentdaft when the new shape Cayman launched. Even non motoring people were talking about it. Its all just clever marketing
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DeltonaS said:
otolith said:
The 4C is much larger than the Elise. It's wider than a Cayman, Z4 or SLK.
How do any of the features you cite make it drive better?
It isn't.......How do any of the features you cite make it drive better?
Those features, as you've probably read, make it a bit more car. And not a cramped go-cart on steroids.
And the cf tub does the rest, lowering the weight to Elise spec.
Elise (2011 Model)
Length: 3824 mm / 150.6 in
Width: 1719 mm / 67.7 in
Height: 1117 mm / 44 in
Wheelbase: 2300 mm / 90.6 in
Weight 876kg
4C
Length 3989 mm / 157 in
width 1864 mm / 73.4 in
Height: 1183 mm / 46.6 in
Wheelbase: 2380 mm / 93.7 in
Weight 920kg's
So 4c is 5% approx heavier than the Elise, is 7 inches longer, 6 inches wider, 2 and a half inches higher yet you say its not bigger?
As far as driving goes, as I said before, width makes a big difference anywhere other than on the Mway or an A road.
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 26th April 13:50
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 26th April 14:03
shoestring7 said:
A year or so ago the specialist press and even national dailies were full of Lotus' grand plans for a range of high performance cars. There's an awful lot more to the success of any car than 'just clever marketing', as any good marketeer would tell you.
Well yes, actually making the product helps.Ozzie Osmond said:
Are we take it you've enjoyed an extensive test drive?
Ill be honest I haven't driven a new cayman, I do own an older one though, are you saying that all the 5 star reviews are wrong?I haven't seen or read a bad review of any Cayman, as much as it seems to pain the people on here who seem to hate anything Porsche the Cayman IS a damn fine car.
It's not an either or situation you know, the Lotus and the Porsche can both be good cars, they aren't mutually exclusive.
I think it's reasonable to assume that the Cayman is a very good car from the reviews because they've been consistently positive (albeit not without criticism).
However, the 4C's reviews have been mixed at best. Every group test I've seen comparing it to either the Exige or the Cayman has come to the conclusion that as a drivers car the 4C is out-classed by both. A number of reviews have also said that it's a worse motorway cruiser than the Exige, which is shocking if true.
The 4C may be great, I haven't driven it, but concluding that it's great from the reviews seems very odd.
However, the 4C's reviews have been mixed at best. Every group test I've seen comparing it to either the Exige or the Cayman has come to the conclusion that as a drivers car the 4C is out-classed by both. A number of reviews have also said that it's a worse motorway cruiser than the Exige, which is shocking if true.
The 4C may be great, I haven't driven it, but concluding that it's great from the reviews seems very odd.
blueg33 said:
Posted on the Lotus Forums in response to this forum
The latest evora facelift addresses Porsche owners complaints about the interior
Shoud keep Porsches owners happy, now they can an joy a great car and have somewhere to out their wallet
Of course the ironic thing there is that Lotus would probably come up with something about as good as that. Witness the famous Elise 'jock strap' cup holder solution...The latest evora facelift addresses Porsche owners complaints about the interior
Shoud keep Porsches owners happy, now they can an joy a great car and have somewhere to out their wallet
blueg33 said:
That cup holder is sort of ok ish at a push. Reminds me a bit of this
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Actually, come to think of it, what exactly is the point of weight saving by removing a few grams worth of plastic handles and leaving electric windows in?
Well if its a Cayman (could be same on 911 as well) the windows have to be electric as they automatically drop when you open the door and raise when you shut it as the windows are frameless.Actually, come to think of it, what exactly is the point of weight saving by removing a few grams worth of plastic handles and leaving electric windows in?
the fabric handles are naff though.
Zyp said:
I have those bloody things on mine - a bit cringeworthy.
It's ok back in the late 1960's my uncle had a bit of string too - to open the doors on his mini 
TBH I can see the point on a race car where everything else is removed.
Mind you for a fabric strap it looks well engineered apart from the visible torx screw
chrispmartha said:
juansolo said:
Is it wrong that I really want the umbrella for the umbrella holder... I've never needed an umbrella. Certainly not one that costs £60 because it's got a Porsche logo on it. But because I have an umbrella pocket, I feel it should have one in there. *shakes fist* damn you Porsche, you know my OCD can't hold out!
EDIT: I have a pen I never use in the pen holder also...
Are you telling me I've got an umbrella holder in my car? Where is it?EDIT: I have a pen I never use in the pen holder also...
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