Rising bollards destroy vehicles, injure drivers!
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[quote=PC vrach
you've never been to Sweden then.[/quote]
I have.
[quote=PC vrach][One life lost is too many[/quote]
and if the govt left us motorists alone, and concentrated on something more urgent, say like the health service, they might easily save 10,000 lives instead of a few hundred.
[quote=PC vrach]The standard of driving in the UK is poor, and it is getting worse. [/quote]
Driving in the UK is piss easy IMHO, and any normal person should be able to manage it just fine without having to resort to 4x4's and the like.
Although now that bollards coming up under your car is now allowed, perhaps a 4x4 with mine protection might after all be a good idea.
[quote=ehyouwhat]But in every case the bollard started raising before the vehicle got there, [/quote]
No they didn't. Many of them were never visible to the driver.
[quote=BB-Q]Jeremy Clarkson once said that once adulthood is reached, each individual should sign a declaration stating that they are solely responsible for their own actions.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.[/quote]
Yeah but you won't get any politicians or civil servants and the like to sign that.
Anyway, I’m done with this now. The saddest thing for me is discovering that despite everything that’s gone on in this country under this govt and the previous, still there are plenty who think everything will be done properly and work fine.
Take care you guys, ‘cos there’s none who fall quite so flat on their faces as the overly confident…
you've never been to Sweden then.[/quote]
I have.
[quote=PC vrach][One life lost is too many[/quote]
and if the govt left us motorists alone, and concentrated on something more urgent, say like the health service, they might easily save 10,000 lives instead of a few hundred.
[quote=PC vrach]The standard of driving in the UK is poor, and it is getting worse. [/quote]
Driving in the UK is piss easy IMHO, and any normal person should be able to manage it just fine without having to resort to 4x4's and the like.
Although now that bollards coming up under your car is now allowed, perhaps a 4x4 with mine protection might after all be a good idea.
[quote=ehyouwhat]But in every case the bollard started raising before the vehicle got there, [/quote]
No they didn't. Many of them were never visible to the driver.
[quote=BB-Q]Jeremy Clarkson once said that once adulthood is reached, each individual should sign a declaration stating that they are solely responsible for their own actions.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.[/quote]
Yeah but you won't get any politicians or civil servants and the like to sign that.
Anyway, I’m done with this now. The saddest thing for me is discovering that despite everything that’s gone on in this country under this govt and the previous, still there are plenty who think everything will be done properly and work fine.
Take care you guys, ‘cos there’s none who fall quite so flat on their faces as the overly confident…
heebeegeetee said:
Take care you guys, ‘cos there’s none who fall quite so flat on their faces as the overly confident…
I take pride in my confidence, since its well founded and has taken me a long while to acquire. I suspect what you really mean is that no-one falls quite so flat on their faces as the stupid, after all practice makes perfect.
Take care heeb, have a nice trip
ProPlus said:
Oakey said:
ProPlus said:
Oakey said:
www.metro.co.uk/video/videoPlayer.html?inMediaId=179&in_page_id=1
So, protest for curbs and petrol pumps to be banned?
So, protest for curbs and petrol pumps to be banned?
Na.... just old folk or at least put big signs on the and sirens on the old dears to warn other ppl to stay clear or watch out for the consquences...
But it wasn't her fault, she clearly got attacked by a curb and that petrol pump, well, if it hadn't been there in the first place...
Maybe she can claim compensation because they didn't label up the pump with a big enough sign to say, 'must not hit with car for fear of damage to vehicle and pump'
But wait....... it wasn't her fault as the nozzles move in and out and as a result is not clearly visable! (applying others logic here and exagerating).
She could have blown the garage skyhigh and killed lots of people had a spark ignited the fuel. Seems like a lucky escape to me. Incredible what other drivers will do!
heebeegeetee said:
[quote=PC vrach
you've never been to Sweden then.
you've never been to Sweden then.
I have.
PC vrach said:
[One life lost is too many
and if the govt left us motorists alone, and concentrated on something more urgent, say like the health service, they might easily save 10,000 lives instead of a few hundred.
PC vrach said:
The standard of driving in the UK is poor, and it is getting worse.
Driving in the UK is piss easy IMHO, and any normal person should be able to manage it just fine without having to resort to 4x4's and the like.
Although now that bollards coming up under your car is now allowed, perhaps a 4x4 with mine protection might after all be a good idea.
ehyouwhat said:
But in every case the bollard started raising before the vehicle got there,
No they didn't. Many of them were never visible to the driver.
BB-Q said:
Jeremy Clarkson once said that once adulthood is reached, each individual should sign a declaration stating that they are solely responsible for their own actions.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.
Yeah but you won't get any politicians or civil servants and the like to sign that.
Anyway, I’m done with this now. The saddest thing for me is discovering that despite everything that’s gone on in this country under this govt and the previous, still there are plenty who think everything will be done properly and work fine.
Take care you guys, ‘cos there’s none who fall quite so flat on their faces as the overly confident…
[/quote]
Fine, tactical withdrawls are OK. Would like to say hope I bump into you one day, but this may not be tactfull LOL.
BTW PC vrach in English is PC doctor, so no I am not with the police!
Take care, and watch out for the crazies!
victormeldrew said:
apache said:
victormeldrew said:
The only downside is that this won't catch unlicenced and uninsured drivers who tailgate buses, but frankly I think their transgression into a semi pedestrianised area is not the most significant thing that need to be addressed there, do you?
But surely, if one of the main purposes for having rising bollards is to prevent ram raiding, then this is exactly the type of vehicle you want to prevent going through?
What is there to ram raid on that street, and what is to prevent a ram raider from driving in the other end?
welcome back VM! Seems to me why they are there is not the issue. Driving at full pelt into them damaging tax payers property is, to save a little time from their journey.
PC vrach said:
ProPlus said:
Oakey said:
ProPlus said:
Oakey said:
www.metro.co.uk/video/videoPlayer.html?inMediaId=179&in_page_id=1
So, protest for curbs and petrol pumps to be banned?
So, protest for curbs and petrol pumps to be banned?
Na.... just old folk or at least put big signs on the and sirens on the old dears to warn other ppl to stay clear or watch out for the consquences...
But it wasn't her fault, she clearly got attacked by a curb and that petrol pump, well, if it hadn't been there in the first place...
Maybe she can claim compensation because they didn't label up the pump with a big enough sign to say, 'must not hit with car for fear of damage to vehicle and pump'
But wait....... it wasn't her fault as the nozzles move in and out and as a result is not clearly visable! (applying others logic here and exagerating).
She could have blown the garage skyhigh and killed lots of people had a spark ignited the fuel. Seems like a lucky escape to me. Incredible what other drivers will do!
petrol isn't as inflammible as you think
GreenV8S said:
Marki said:
GreenV8S said:
and there is no direct visual cue that there is an obstruction ahead,
Apart from the iluminated neon road signs
You don't have to drive into/over the road signs, they're just something that you have to peer round as you're trying to read that advert in the shop window, waving to your friends or wondering what's for tea. It's quite unlikely that you would drive into a wall without noticing it, any more than you would walk into it. Millions of years of evolution have gone into automatic reactions that stop you walking into things. But people still do it occasionally. So perhaps according to the bizarre logic being applied here, instead of restricting knives and blades we should make sure that all street furniture has lots of sharp edges, after all if you're going to walk into a lamp post you're obviously a dangerous pedestrian and better to have your accident here rather than have a high speed head-on collision with Granny round the corner.
I really hope I never meet you on the road as you're wondering which shop advert to look into, waving to your friends or wondering what's for tea, you sound like a crap driver
heebeegeetee said:
PS I copied and pasted "No entry kills" into google and still got nul point.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 1st November 22:23
Funny, I got 3,850,000. I think your Google must be broken. Or you must have been distracted by a shop window or thinking about your tea when it came up
BB-Q said:
Jeremy Clarkson once said that once adulthood is reached, each individual should sign a declaration stating that they are solely responsible for their own actions.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.
This makes far too much sense to ever happen, though.
Good point, lawyers would be out of jobs if people ever took responsibility for their own actions.
ProPlus said:
victormeldrew said:
Not sure how any of that relates the the ambulance driver who got whiplash after they failed, or the busload of people left suspended when they failed. Were they all idiots too?
Does one have either:
a) video proof
or
b) A news paper article on the net.
Otherwise you could just make up anything about the bollards and drag the whole crappy arguement up again for no reason what so ever....
Can't we pronounce the death of this thread as 9:58am and lets sleeping dogs lie and just agree to disagree?
In VM's favour I did see this. The ambulance incident was bad, the bollard failed for some reason, unlike the Manc videos where they were working perfectly. In the bus incident nobody was injured as the bus was travelling slow.
mondeohdear said:
ProPlus said:
victormeldrew said:
Not sure how any of that relates the the ambulance driver who got whiplash after they failed, or the busload of people left suspended when they failed. Were they all idiots too?
Does one have either:
a) video proof
or
b) A news paper article on the net.
Otherwise you could just make up anything about the bollards and drag the whole crappy arguement up again for no reason what so ever....
Can't we pronounce the death of this thread as 9:58am and lets sleeping dogs lie and just agree to disagree?
In VM's favour I did see this. The ambulance incident was bad, the bollard failed for some reason, unlike the Manc videos where they were working perfectly. In the bus incident nobody was injured as the bus was travelling slow.
Perhaps that is the key, go slowly (unlike the drivers in the footage). If you go slowly, the bollards will raise and willl be visable, if you go slow you will not damage your car badly or injure your passengers when you hit them. Personally I would advocate not running into the bollards at all, but hey that's just me being Mr Sensible I guess!
PC vrach said:
mondeohdear said:
ProPlus said:
victormeldrew said:
Not sure how any of that relates the the ambulance driver who got whiplash after they failed, or the busload of people left suspended when they failed. Were they all idiots too?
Does one have either:
a) video proof
or
b) A news paper article on the net.
Otherwise you could just make up anything about the bollards and drag the whole crappy arguement up again for no reason what so ever....
Can't we pronounce the death of this thread as 9:58am and lets sleeping dogs lie and just agree to disagree?
In VM's favour I did see this. The ambulance incident was bad, the bollard failed for some reason, unlike the Manc videos where they were working perfectly. In the bus incident nobody was injured as the bus was travelling slow.
Perhaps that is the key, go slowly (unlike the drivers in the footage). If you go slowly, the bollards will raise and willl be visable, if you go slow you will not damage your car badly or injure your passengers when you hit them. Personally I would advocate not running into the bollards at all, but hey that's just me being Mr Sensible I guess!
Next you'll be advocating not running with scissors, not chewing razor blades and not sheltering under corrogated iron sheets during thunder storms. That'll upset the PHers who think everyone else is to blaim for idiots' misfortunes
.asterix said:
I'm sick of the lack of accountability now - even if it was a mistake, it was their mistake and now they won't make it again and others observing won't make the mistake either.
According to that logic it's OK to let children run around with scissors, if they fall over and do themselves a gruesome injury that's their mistake and they won't make it again in a hurry. We shouldn't leave hazards around that are reasonably likely to hurt or injure people, even if the only people at risk are the negligient, stupid and unlucky. Or people being driven by them.
GreenV8S said:
According to that logic it's OK to let children run around with scissors, if they fall over and do themselves a gruesome injury that's their mistake and they won't make it again in a hurry. We shouldn't leave hazards around that are reasonably likely to hurt or injure people,
but there are fecking great big flashing signs, audible beeps, and a voice saying "bollards rising".
its not a hazard - its a well marked out NO ENTRY junction.
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