Rising bollards destroy vehicles, injure drivers!
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I know I know I know I said I was all done with this thread butijustcan'thelpit 
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter t
t...
Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
Some fecker did this to me years ago, I was concentrating on the road signs and when I saw the exit I needed I hooned it off the roundabout straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter t
t... Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
richardthestagonanotherthread said:
Some fecker did this to me years ago, I was concentrating on the road signs and when I saw the exit I needed I hooned it off the roundabout straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
heebeegeetee said:
I know I know I know I said I was all done with this thread butijustcan'thelpit
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter tt...
Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter t
t... Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
richardthestagonanotherthread said:
straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
Errr scuse me but your arguement fails i would say
GreenV8S said:
asterix said:
I'm sick of the lack of accountability now - even if it was a mistake, it was their mistake and now they won't make it again and others observing won't make the mistake either.
According to that logic it's OK to let children run around with scissors, if they fall over and do themselves a gruesome injury that's their mistake and they won't make it again in a hurry. We shouldn't leave hazards around that are reasonably likely to hurt or injure people, even if the only people at risk are the negligient, stupid and unlucky. Or people being driven by them.
Such a daft counter arguement.
Young children are in no position to make decisions of that nature - at some point, a child (or even an adult) has harmed themselves by running around with scissors and that's why we as responsible adults make the decision for them.
However, if someone is foolish enough to disregard all the warning signs or plain stupid enough to think they'll beat the posts then tough.
Why dont you think of the children Tinman 
GreenV8S said:
asterix said:
I'm sick of the lack of accountability now - even if it was a mistake, it was their mistake and now they won't make it again and others observing won't make the mistake either.
According to that logic it's OK to let children run around with scissors, if they fall over and do themselves a gruesome injury that's their mistake and they won't make it again in a hurry. We shouldn't leave hazards around that are reasonably likely to hurt or injure people, even if the only people at risk are the negligient, stupid and unlucky. Or people being driven by them.
Ouch, that was a cutting remark
heebeegeetee said:
I know I know I know I said I was all done with this thread butijustcan'thelpit
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter tt...
Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
Some fecker did this to me years ago, I was concentrating on the road signs and when I saw the exit I needed I hooned it off the roundabout straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
Y'know how Richardthestag is one of those who is entirely confident that rising bollards will never ever be misused, and that anyone who has one come up under their car is a complete and utter t
t... Well over on the Stupid Drivers thread he tells us that he once drove straight plum into the back of another car, and it was the other drivers fault!
richardthestagonanotherthread said:
Some fecker did this to me years ago, I was concentrating on the road signs and when I saw the exit I needed I hooned it off the roundabout straight into the back of an Orion reversing back onto the roundabout because he took the wrong exshit..
Valuable lesson learnt that day
And you would expect a car to be reversing on a roundabout because.......? Any car involved in an accident reversing is automatically at fault as they should not be reversing into other vehicles (pretty much in the same way thet cars should not be driving into bollards I would imagine)! In fact according to the highway code reversing for unneccesary instances is also illegal, although the actual distance is open to interpretation if for example there is not enough space to do a 3 point turn.
However leaving it late to get into the correct lane is also bad form, so I cannot say Richardthestag leaves the incident entirely blameless.
Before I have any innane replies suggesting I am not perfect, I realise that (just talk to the missis vrach for confirmation) but am one of the cars getting into queues nice and early only to watch other muppets (who think they are too clever/important/ or drive a posh car that should not be in a queue) cut into the queue in front causing other drivers to have to brake (in my mind worse driving that hitting bollards since it is a queue of multiple vehicles that may be damaged or have passengers injured). Surely a similar style and mentality to the bollard kamakazi drivers?
Well i've just watched the video (running a bit late I know) and I laughed my arse off. Perhaps i'm a bit evil, but I really enjoy watching selfish, arrogant ts like that get their comeuppence.
Couldn't agree more. I've made mistakes before, some of which have resulted in damage to my car. However in those situations I chose to grow a pair of balls and admit what i'd done, rather than try to blame everybody else on this earth for my own stupidity
s like that get their comeuppence. asterix said:
I'm sick of the lack of accountability now - even if it was a mistake, it was their mistake and now they won't make it again and others observing won't make the mistake either.
Couldn't agree more. I've made mistakes before, some of which have resulted in damage to my car. However in those situations I chose to grow a pair of balls and admit what i'd done, rather than try to blame everybody else on this earth for my own stupidity
PC vrach said:
And you would expect a car to be reversing on a roundabout because.......?
Because there ain't nothing that people won't do, nothing at all. It's not too much of a problem, it gives us a laugh, it only becomes a problem when some other fool decides to get involved with them and brings everything to a halt.
dilbert said:
They should have used barriers, a la V8's.
People don't look at signs. They're usually more concerned with not hitting pedestrians. A dynamic obstacle that emerges under the vehicle is a nightmare. If those people had diriven into the bollards, I'd have a different opinion, but the simple fact is that in every case the bollards raised under the vehicle.
A barrier is a clear obstacle. You see it both up and down. Why they chose to use bollards, I'll never know. A dynamic bollard cannot be rammed in the way that a barrier can, and it does have uses in security applications.
This is not one of those.
I think it's about voyeristic government numpties, looking to see chaos on their CCTV screens, just to break up the boredom.
If you want to know where your taxes are being wasted, this is it. A barrier without CCTV and an extensive array of electronic signage would probably have cost half as much, and wouldn't have caught anyone short.
People don't look at signs. They're usually more concerned with not hitting pedestrians. A dynamic obstacle that emerges under the vehicle is a nightmare. If those people had diriven into the bollards, I'd have a different opinion, but the simple fact is that in every case the bollards raised under the vehicle.
A barrier is a clear obstacle. You see it both up and down. Why they chose to use bollards, I'll never know. A dynamic bollard cannot be rammed in the way that a barrier can, and it does have uses in security applications.
This is not one of those.
I think it's about voyeristic government numpties, looking to see chaos on their CCTV screens, just to break up the boredom.
If you want to know where your taxes are being wasted, this is it. A barrier without CCTV and an extensive array of electronic signage would probably have cost half as much, and wouldn't have caught anyone short.
Edited by dilbert on Thursday 2nd November 23:15
How about a barrier and bollard combo. Ie, bollard lowers and vehicle drives through, barrier lowers, bollard raises then barrier raises. The main reason for the bollards rather than barriers is they are aesthetically more pleasing and less dangerous to pedestrians but in the interests of peace and harmony I'll say let's combine the two. Any views?
victormeldrew said:
apache said:
victormeldrew said:
The only downside is that this won't catch unlicenced and uninsured drivers who tailgate buses, but frankly I think their transgression into a semi pedestrianised area is not the most significant thing that need to be addressed there, do you?
But surely, if one of the main purposes for having rising bollards is to prevent ram raiding, then this is exactly the type of vehicle you want to prevent going through?
What is there to ram raid on that street, and what is to prevent a ram raider from driving in the other end?
Well, lots of shops and I believe it's also the same street as the Manchester lorry bomb in 1996.
mondeohdear said:
victormeldrew said:
apache said:
victormeldrew said:
The only downside is that this won't catch unlicenced and uninsured drivers who tailgate buses, but frankly I think their transgression into a semi pedestrianised area is not the most significant thing that need to be addressed there, do you?
But surely, if one of the main purposes for having rising bollards is to prevent ram raiding, then this is exactly the type of vehicle you want to prevent going through?
What is there to ram raid on that street, and what is to prevent a ram raider from driving in the other end?
Well, lots of shops and I believe it's also the same street as the Manchester lorry bomb in 1996.
victormeldrew said:
mondeohdear said:
Well, lots of shops and I believe it's also the same street as the Manchester lorry bomb in 1996.
But I think you'd have to be wearing a pretty hefty rucksack to carry 3000lbs of explosive on a bus as was used in Manchester. And 200 people were injured in Manchester as well as the destruction of 75,000 square metres of retail and office space, a little bit bigger than the London bus bomb don't you think?
Edited by mondeohdear on Monday 6th November 15:01
victormeldrew said:
Or steal a bus?
Seriously, if the object of the bollards is as an anti terrorist measure then it is compromised by allowing anything through, whether tailgating or not.
Seriously, if the object of the bollards is as an anti terrorist measure then it is compromised by allowing anything through, whether tailgating or not.
I think it was more about giving people confidence back rather than a serious anti-terrorist measure. I personally aren't of the opinion that we're all doomed to be sacrificed on the altar of extremism or impaled on killer bollards
.At last signs of commonsense. The bollard/boomgate would work. As for the knucklehead mentality that says, in effect, "if you make a mistake in the course of driving, then expect and accept a great hunk of metal or its equivalent to threaten your life" - ask yourselves this. Have I ever made any mistake in life that was due to my own ignorance or a rush of blood to the head? If you can say "No" then, believe me, you're in denial. Now accepting that you have, how would you feel if you were so recklessly punished. People miss road signs, I know these ones are big and flashing but stats bare these facts out; people make mistakes, crazy - certainly, worthy of fines - certainly, worthy of big chuffin' bollards up into the base of the car - never.
krumour said:
As for the knucklehead mentality that says, in effect, "if you make a mistake in the course of driving, then expect and accept a great hunk of metal or its equivalent to threaten your life
This is a necessary consequence of driving a motor car.
You're in the great hunk of metal, and yes, mistakes you make whilst piloting it can and do have fatal effects for both occupants and external parties.
The risk of getting
ed whilst trying to tailgate a bus through a mechanically-enforced NO ENTRY sign is, to my mind, acceptable - because responsible drivers won't do it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff