The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread
Discussion
ORD said:
The Sodoku guy? Not a damn thing. He wasn't committing any offence. He posed no possible danger to anyone.
You could have a football match in a bus with it in neutral and the handbrake on without causing anyone the slightest problem (well, as long as the football didnt knock it into gear...bad example
).
What if the driver simply rested his eyes? There's no strong obligation to sit in neutral, with the handbrake on and scanning around. You do that before pulling off - that's when potential danger arises.
I don't think it's good driving, and I dont 'switch off' like that at lights, but maybe those lights are a really long wait; maybe he still has 20 seconds to make sure all is well before moving off, etc.
Saying he should be fired is absolutely shameful. I hope you get fired for doing something so minor.
So do we just ignore the fact that these large vehicles seem to have a propensity to run over people when setting off from lights or negotiating junctions?You could have a football match in a bus with it in neutral and the handbrake on without causing anyone the slightest problem (well, as long as the football didnt knock it into gear...bad example
). What if the driver simply rested his eyes? There's no strong obligation to sit in neutral, with the handbrake on and scanning around. You do that before pulling off - that's when potential danger arises.
I don't think it's good driving, and I dont 'switch off' like that at lights, but maybe those lights are a really long wait; maybe he still has 20 seconds to make sure all is well before moving off, etc.
Saying he should be fired is absolutely shameful. I hope you get fired for doing something so minor.
The Sodoku guy? Not a damn thing. He wasn't committing any offence. He posed no possible danger to anyone.
You could have a football match in a bus with it in neutral and the handbrake on without causing anyone the slightest problem (well, as long as the football didnt knock it into gear...bad example ).
What if the driver simply rested his eyes? There's no strong obligation to sit in neutral, with the handbrake on and scanning around. You do that before pulling off - that's when potential danger arises.
I don't think it's good driving, and I dont 'switch off' like that at lights, but maybe those lights are a really long wait; maybe he still has 20 seconds to make sure all is well before moving off, etc.
Saying he should be fired is absolutely shameful. I hope you get fired for doing something so minor.
You could have a football match in a bus with it in neutral and the handbrake on without causing anyone the slightest problem (well, as long as the football didnt knock it into gear...bad example
). What if the driver simply rested his eyes? There's no strong obligation to sit in neutral, with the handbrake on and scanning around. You do that before pulling off - that's when potential danger arises.
I don't think it's good driving, and I dont 'switch off' like that at lights, but maybe those lights are a really long wait; maybe he still has 20 seconds to make sure all is well before moving off, etc.
Saying he should be fired is absolutely shameful. I hope you get fired for doing something so minor.
heebeegeetee said:
So do we just ignore the fact that these large vehicles seem to have a propensity to run over people when setting off from lights or negotiating junctions?
I don't think anyone is ignoring this problem.From what I can see reading these threads is drivers are saying take perticular care at junctions for both drivers and cyclists.
Yet cyclists seem to be saying they don't need to take extra care because it's down to drivers to do that for them.
We have all seen the YT clips of cyclist putting themselves down the left side of left turning lorries, yet cyclists rarely comment on this and they are usually filmed by cyclists holding back.
Of course we don't know who is responsible in these deaths but I'm sure we would hear about drivers being prosecuted if they are at fault.
It's down to cyclists and drivers to take care IMO and no sensible discussion will take place until this is established.
And the rat race continues...........................
Ghibli said:
I don't think anyone is ignoring this problem.
From what I can see reading these threads is drivers are saying take perticular care at junctions for both drivers and cyclists.
Yet cyclists seem to be saying they don't need to take extra care because it's down to drivers to do that for them.
We have all seen the YT clips of cyclist putting themselves down the left side of left turning lorries, yet cyclists rarely comment on this and they are usually filmed by cyclists holding back.
Of course we don't know who is responsible in these deaths but I'm sure we would hear about drivers being prosecuted if they are at fault.
It's down to cyclists and drivers to take care IMO and no sensible discussion will take place until this is established.
And the rat race continues...........................
This has nothing to do with sudoku at the lights. We know there is a problem with large vehicles running people down. How the people got to be close to the vehicle is one aspect, but on another aspect how can it help if the driver of the large vehicle takes no notice of what's going on all around him until the lights go green? From what I can see reading these threads is drivers are saying take perticular care at junctions for both drivers and cyclists.
Yet cyclists seem to be saying they don't need to take extra care because it's down to drivers to do that for them.
We have all seen the YT clips of cyclist putting themselves down the left side of left turning lorries, yet cyclists rarely comment on this and they are usually filmed by cyclists holding back.
Of course we don't know who is responsible in these deaths but I'm sure we would hear about drivers being prosecuted if they are at fault.
It's down to cyclists and drivers to take care IMO and no sensible discussion will take place until this is established.
And the rat race continues...........................
heebeegeetee said:
Ghibli said:
I don't think anyone is ignoring this problem.
From what I can see reading these threads is drivers are saying take perticular care at junctions for both drivers and cyclists.
Yet cyclists seem to be saying they don't need to take extra care because it's down to drivers to do that for them.
We have all seen the YT clips of cyclist putting themselves down the left side of left turning lorries, yet cyclists rarely comment on this and they are usually filmed by cyclists holding back.
Of course we don't know who is responsible in these deaths but I'm sure we would hear about drivers being prosecuted if they are at fault.
It's down to cyclists and drivers to take care IMO and no sensible discussion will take place until this is established.
And the rat race continues...........................
This has nothing to do with sudoku at the lights. We know there is a problem with large vehicles running people down. How the people got to be close to the vehicle is one aspect, but on another aspect how can it help if the driver of the large vehicle takes no notice of what's going on all around him until the lights go green? From what I can see reading these threads is drivers are saying take perticular care at junctions for both drivers and cyclists.
Yet cyclists seem to be saying they don't need to take extra care because it's down to drivers to do that for them.
We have all seen the YT clips of cyclist putting themselves down the left side of left turning lorries, yet cyclists rarely comment on this and they are usually filmed by cyclists holding back.
Of course we don't know who is responsible in these deaths but I'm sure we would hear about drivers being prosecuted if they are at fault.
It's down to cyclists and drivers to take care IMO and no sensible discussion will take place until this is established.
And the rat race continues...........................
Are you trying to say the driver will be able to see what's in his blind spots while at a set of traffic lights ?
Would it not be sensible to make cyclist aware of where large vehicles blind spots are, that's assuming the driver already knows where his/her blind spots are.
Edit: perhaps you could tell me where these blind spots are ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th June 10:55
heebeegeetee said:
This has nothing to do with sudoku at the lights. We know there is a problem with large vehicles running people down.
The problem is not specifically large vehicles, it's large, open-sided poor-visibility vehicles - aka plant trunks. If a bus sideswipes someone they are more likely to land on the pavement and the bike cops the damage.There is a lot of building going on in London (esp around Bank) and there's loads of trucks about all day.
heebeegeetee said:
How the people got to be close to the vehicle is one aspect, but on another aspect how can it help if the driver of the large vehicle takes no notice of what's going on all around him until the lights go green?
I'll tell you what happens when the lights go green. The bikes go first. They are in front of you, beside you and so on. There's a flurry of movement as they move off slowly and you notice this (because peripheral vision). The bus isn't going anywhere for 10 seconds after green anyway.What sin is he committing ? dangerous stationarying due to excessive mental puzzle ?
Ghibli said:
As I said, no sensible discussion will take place.
Are you trying to say the driver will be able to see what's in his blind spots while at a set of traffic lights ?
Would it not be sensible to make cyclist aware of where large vehicles blind spots are, that's assuming the driver already knows where his/her blind spots are.
Edit: perhaps you could tell me where these blind spots are ?
Just so we know, I'm not a cyclist but I have worked as a lorry driver in the past for some 25 years and know all about blind spots and what a PITA they are. Are you trying to say the driver will be able to see what's in his blind spots while at a set of traffic lights ?
Would it not be sensible to make cyclist aware of where large vehicles blind spots are, that's assuming the driver already knows where his/her blind spots are.
Edit: perhaps you could tell me where these blind spots are ?
Edited by Ghibli on Saturday 27th June 10:55
No, you can't see who or what is in a blind spot but if you happen to be looking the right way at the right time you can see people or vehicles disappearing into them. You can watch traffic coming up behind you, in front of you, and can keep an eye on pedestrians in your vicinity.
If you are saying that cyclists are largely to blame for what happens to them then that is a reason to pay more attention as the driver of a large vehicle driving amongst them, not less.
Just because your vehicle is stationary doesn't mean that everything else is. Traffic is a fluid thing, it moves and evolves all around you. In a busy environment you need to pay attention to what is going on around you. You won't and can't see everything, but you can do your best.
gavsdavs said:
What sin is he committing ? dangerous stationarying due to excessive mental puzzle ?
I'd say it's an all but perfect definition of Driving Without Due Care & Attention. Without really wanting to dive into this debate I'd thought I'd share this picture that came up on my Facebook feed. I'm not going to start blaming either driver but I think it demonstrates the issues of both the tipper drivers either not paying attention or being able to see the area immediately in front of them and the fact most people don't realise that these things have massive blind spots and carry on, regardless of their chosen method of transport. Had they been cycling I think you would now be talking about another death. But having a licence didn't stop this car driver from ending up a cropper.
heebeegeetee said:
gavsdavs said:
What sin is he committing ? dangerous stationarying due to excessive mental puzzle ?
I'd say it's an all but perfect definition of Driving Without Due Care & Attention. You're stationary at some major lights which have just gone red on you and you know you have some time on your hands.
You look at the map on your lap.
A copper sees you doing this and nicks you for "driving without due care and attention".
Would you swallow it or call it ridiculous ?
heebeegeetee said:
Ghibli said:
As I said, no sensible discussion will take place.
Are you trying to say the driver will be able to see what's in his blind spots while at a set of traffic lights ?
Would it not be sensible to make cyclist aware of where large vehicles blind spots are, that's assuming the driver already knows where his/her blind spots are.
Edit: perhaps you could tell me where these blind spots are ?
Just so we know, I'm not a cyclist but I have worked as a lorry driver in the past for some 25 years and know all about blind spots and what a PITA they are. Are you trying to say the driver will be able to see what's in his blind spots while at a set of traffic lights ?
Would it not be sensible to make cyclist aware of where large vehicles blind spots are, that's assuming the driver already knows where his/her blind spots are.
Edit: perhaps you could tell me where these blind spots are ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th June 10:55
No, you can't see who or what is in a blind spot but if you happen to be looking the right way at the right time you can see people or vehicles disappearing into them. You can watch traffic coming up behind you, in front of you, and can keep an eye on pedestrians in your vicinity.
If you are saying that cyclists are largely to blame for what happens to them then that is a reason to pay more attention as the driver of a large vehicle driving amongst them, not less.
Just because your vehicle is stationary doesn't mean that everything else is. Traffic is a fluid thing, it moves and evolves all around you. In a busy environment you need to pay attention to what is going on around you. You won't and can't see everything, but you can do your best.
gavsdavs said:
What sin is he committing ? dangerous stationarying due to excessive mental puzzle ?
I'd say it's an all but perfect definition of Driving Without Due Care & Attention. http://youtu.be/Y9E1_1M-qhU
The above clip is something both drivers and cyclists need to think about.
Fugazi said:
Without really wanting to dive into this debate I'd thought I'd share this picture that came up on my Facebook feed. I'm not going to start blaming either driver but I think it demonstrates the issues of both the tipper drivers either not paying attention or being able to see the area immediately in front of them and the fact most people don't realise that these things have massive blind spots and carry on, regardless of their chosen method of transport. Had they been cycling I think you would now be talking about another death. But having a licence didn't stop this car driver from ending up a cropper.
good post 
It ought to be in the cycling in London thread
gavsdavs said:
You're in an unknown city with a map and no satnav.
You're stationary at some major lights which have just gone red on you and you know you have some time on your hands.
You look at the map on your lap.
A copper sees you doing this and nicks you for "driving without due care and attention".
Would you swallow it or call it ridiculous ?
My opinion is that navigating your way is part of the process of driving, whether you're reading road signs, sat-nav or a map. I think a more accurate analogy is that in the scenario you describe, you throw a soduko puzzle in. You're stationary at some major lights which have just gone red on you and you know you have some time on your hands.
You look at the map on your lap.
A copper sees you doing this and nicks you for "driving without due care and attention".
Would you swallow it or call it ridiculous ?
I've never heard of a driver being prosecuted for navigating.
Ghibli said:
No I am not saying it's always the cyclist at fault, that's just a knee jerk reaction from certain members on this forum
http://youtu.be/Y9E1_1M-qhU
The above clip is something both drivers and cyclists need to think about.
It's an old clip and not terribly accurate in that things have moved on a bit, but again I think it just highlights even more why you shouldn't be doing suduko at the wheel (especially of a large vehicle). If that biking club approached from behind I'd hope the driver saw them in his mirror before disappearing and not look up the moment the lights go green and drive right over them as he turns left.http://youtu.be/Y9E1_1M-qhU
The above clip is something both drivers and cyclists need to think about.
greygoose said:
carreauchompeur said:
Impressive braking on the lorry!Funk said:
greygoose said:
carreauchompeur said:
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