One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

[Blown2CV]

westtra said:

Blown2CV said:

nonsequitur said:

Blown2CV said:

Liquid Knight said:

Blown2CV said:

on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.

Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world.

don't be a fking stroker. It's an integral part of nearly all new cars. It saves fuel, and in theory helps the environment. The way to make it work on an audi auto is to leave your foot on the brake. It's unfortunate that using the system keeps the rear brake lights illuminated and i would far rather it did not, but i am not leaving a 4L V8 bi-turbo running all the time in queuing traffic.

Like your style of insult, are you sure he was in the navy? Anyway, can't these stop/start thingy's be disabled if required? It would certainly prevent the now inevitable blinding when at the traffic lights etc.
The fuel saved must only be a tea spoonful.

i am not going to turn mine off. If the guy behind doesn't like it, he can write to Audi. I am just my car that i pay for, in the manner in which it was intended. I'm not interested in measuring how much fuel it saves but i am certain it is a fair bit.

No need to turn it off. Put car in park and release the brake pedal and stop/stays active and you are not blinding people behind.

i'm not doing that either!! Got to be honest, I don't like being behind someone else with their brake lights constantly on, but there is absolutely no way I am going to inconvenience myself in order to create convenience for others, especially as most people aren't bothered by it anyway. I'm going to carry on putting my foot on the brake as the manufacturer unfortunately intends, and despite this being a bit of a design issue I am not sure how else they could do it. I drive into city centre every day in queuing traffic, and it would be a right pain to put it in P every time I stop.

[Liquid Knight]

I've had an idea...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

...enjoy.

[Blown2CV]

Liquid Knight said:

I've had an idea...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

...enjoy.

nope, it's settled.

[MarkRSi]

westtra said:

No need to turn it off. Put car in park and release the brake pedal and stop/stays active and you are not blinding people behind.

Assuming you're stopped for more than a few seconds this would make more sense and be more relaxing than holding the brake pedal, shirley? I'm my manual stop/start I've got no problem sticking the car in neutral and handbrake on and can still get away from the lights as quick as everyone else can.

[Blown2CV]

MarkRSi said:

westtra said:

No need to turn it off. Put car in park and release the brake pedal and stop/stays active and you are not blinding people behind.

Assuming you're stopped for more than a few seconds this would make more sense and be more relaxing than holding the brake pedal, shirley? I'm my manual stop/start I've got no problem sticking the car in neutral and handbrake on and can still get away from the lights as quick as everyone else can.

manual stop/start behaves completely differently, and there is stronger advice to not sit on the clutch and in most cars this would keep the engine running. You are, in a manual car, incentivised to behave in the way you describe. Not so in an auto.

[Liquid Knight]

I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.

I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.

But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.

If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?

[Liquid Knight]

Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.

[Flibble]

Liquid Knight said:

Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.

But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.
Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.

Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.

[Liquid Knight]

Flibble said:

Liquid Knight said:

Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.

But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.
Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.

Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.

If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).

I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.

[Krikkit]

Liquid Knight said:

Flibble said:

Liquid Knight said:

Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.

But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.
Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.

Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.

If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).

I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.

Use the rear parking sensors to check for a car behind - if within range them dim the brake lights.

Blown2CV - does the stop/start restart the engine if you put it in neutral and lift off brake pedal? That would be the solution if not.

[Flibble]

Liquid Knight said:

If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).

I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.

It's more a case of making it obvious that you're stopped. The parking sensors idea is a nice one though.

[Liquid Knight]

Krikkit said:

Use the rear parking sensors to check for a car behind - if within range them dim the brake lights.

Flibble said:

The parking sensors idea is a nice one though.

Yes! That's brilliant. I had completely forgotten about those.

Problems solved.

[masermartin]

Blown2CV said:

Liquid Knight said:

Blown2CV said:

on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.

Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world.

don't be a fking stroker. It's an integral part of nearly all new cars. It saves fuel, and in theory helps the environment. The way to make it work on an audi auto is to leave your foot on the brake. It's unfortunate that using the system keeps the rear brake lights illuminated and i would far rather it did not, but i am not leaving a 4L V8 bi-turbo running all the time in queuing traffic.

And it's such a shame there's no other way to stop/start the engine.

[masermartin]

Krikkit said:

Use the rear parking sensors to check for a car behind - if within range them dim the brake lights.

Now that's a good idea.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Liquid Knight said:

I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.

I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.

But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.

If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?

with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives off
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start

[Blown2CV]

masermartin said:

Blown2CV said:

Liquid Knight said:

Blown2CV said:

on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.

Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world.

don't be a fking stroker. It's an integral part of nearly all new cars. It saves fuel, and in theory helps the environment. The way to make it work on an audi auto is to leave your foot on the brake. It's unfortunate that using the system keeps the rear brake lights illuminated and i would far rather it did not, but i am not leaving a 4L V8 bi-turbo running all the time in queuing traffic.

And it's such a shame there's no other way to stop/start the engine.

i'm not fking putting it in Park
i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely

every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.

Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.

[Janesy B]

Moving an ambulance to park your car.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-385...

[romeogolf]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Liquid Knight said:

I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.

I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.

But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.

If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?

with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives off
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start

In Mercedes vehicles, a 'firm press' on the brake activates a hold function. Brake lights remain illuminated, but stop-start function works, and if you're hit from behind the wheels remain locked.

Blown2CV said:

i'm not fking putting it in Park
i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely

every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.

Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.

What he said.

[boxedin]

Hugo a Gogo said:

with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives off
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start

With the BMW system, that doesn't have the auto-brake; once the engine stop has kicked in you just push slightly more on the brake whilst applying the electronic handbrake. Then take your foot off the brake, no more blinding lights. When the lights change just apply some throttle or if you're on the motorway and the ACC is on, just let the car startup and drive-off for you.

[Slow]

Blown2CV said:

i'm not fking putting it in Park
i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely

every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.

Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.

I dont even own a car with stop start and I agree. Some people on here must have eyes of cave dwelling neanderthal who have never seen light.