VW Golf 7 R -- Chipped -- 0 to 60 in 4 Seconds...
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That's Mumsnet stuff. I defy anyone to find a Cayman remotely scary. It's about the most forgiving chassis imaginable. And even 911s have been benign for a while now!
The cars that scare me (and that people crash a lot) are FWD cars with no steering feel and crap brakes. They tend to be quite slow, but you don't need much power to crash and die (as proven by most fatal road accidents involving slow cars).
The cars that scare me (and that people crash a lot) are FWD cars with no steering feel and crap brakes. They tend to be quite slow, but you don't need much power to crash and die (as proven by most fatal road accidents involving slow cars).
Pixelpeep7r said:
Have a look how many cars that are still considered 'supercars' can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds, 100mph in 9 and 179 ish top end. - there's not many.
As an example, most would consider an Aston Martin DB9 a supercar? imagine the surprise when a four door hatchback leaves it off the line and is still in front at 170?
I know there are quicker cars, but there are more that would be behind than in front and that, imo, makes it pretty special.
and yes, i have a golf R
My Z4 is north of 400bhp but I'd still be embarassed to use the word supercar to describe it's performance.As an example, most would consider an Aston Martin DB9 a supercar? imagine the surprise when a four door hatchback leaves it off the line and is still in front at 170?
I know there are quicker cars, but there are more that would be behind than in front and that, imo, makes it pretty special.
and yes, i have a golf R
If someone was to say sueprcar performance to me I would think GTR or Huracan power levels.
Pixelpeep7r said:
It depends on what you need from your car i guess.
With my current situation I can't have :
Bone shaking, rock hard suspension
Exhaust that dominates the cabin
fuel economy that needs constant justification
people climbing over the drivers seat to get into the back
a boot that only fits a laptop bag
a car that won't start when the outside temp drops below 6oC
something that looks like it belongs in a basildon council estate or fast and furious.
a second car (allocated parking)
but when i am in the car on my own i want SOMETHING that appeals to my inner petrolhead.
my life is compromises and the R hits the spot so the compromise doesn't hurt quite as much.
Fair do's.With my current situation I can't have :
Bone shaking, rock hard suspension
Exhaust that dominates the cabin
fuel economy that needs constant justification
people climbing over the drivers seat to get into the back
a boot that only fits a laptop bag
a car that won't start when the outside temp drops below 6oC
something that looks like it belongs in a basildon council estate or fast and furious.
a second car (allocated parking)
but when i am in the car on my own i want SOMETHING that appeals to my inner petrolhead.
my life is compromises and the R hits the spot so the compromise doesn't hurt quite as much.
Blown2CV said:
J4CKO said:
Welshbeef said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, but its like a house tamed evo, it doesnt do 15 mpg on SUL, it doesnt need servicing every 4000 miles, a Golf is acceptable to females where Scoobys and Evos are embarassing to them, oh and you can get one for £250 a month or not much more, where Evos and the like required capital or a massive loan.
It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
Isn't the M135i a superior drive? More power more torque rwd faster It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
I find RWD a bit hopeless int he wet with big power, my CLS on new premium tyres will light the traction light very easily, happens in the dry as well so 4wd seems quite appealing sometimes, I know it isnt purist but its bloody effective.
t about, but most don't really know why. If the car is dynamically sorted then it doesn't matter whether it's AWD or RWD. In reality grip just matters more... you're not going to be drifting on public roads unless you're a tool, and if you're really trying to post fast lap times or VMAX then grip is what you want. I like the idea of RWD as much as the next guy, especially when compared to FWD, but when it comes down to it for the vast majority of people, and the vast majority of the time, 4WD is the best thing.Atmospheric said:
Don't modify a car which isn't yours. It's very simple. Get caught and you've had it financially.
I think I'd like to have a go in one though, wouldn't buy or rent, though. Not my sort of motor.
I agree that its not the person leasing its to modify but never heard of anyone getting caught so to speak and what the penalty would b.I think I'd like to have a go in one though, wouldn't buy or rent, though. Not my sort of motor.
Blown2CV said:
J4CKO said:
Welshbeef said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, but its like a house tamed evo, it doesnt do 15 mpg on SUL, it doesnt need servicing every 4000 miles, a Golf is acceptable to females where Scoobys and Evos are embarassing to them, oh and you can get one for £250 a month or not much more, where Evos and the like required capital or a massive loan.
It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
Isn't the M135i a superior drive? More power more torque rwd faster It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
I find RWD a bit hopeless int he wet with big power, my CLS on new premium tyres will light the traction light very easily, happens in the dry as well so 4wd seems quite appealing sometimes, I know it isnt purist but its bloody effective.
t about, but most don't really know why. If the car is dynamically sorted then it doesn't matter whether it's AWD or RWD. In reality grip just matters more... you're not going to be drifting on public roads unless you're a tool, and if you're really trying to post fast lap times or VMAX then grip is what you want. I like the idea of RWD as much as the next guy, especially when compared to FWD, but when it comes down to it for the vast majority of people, and the vast majority of the time, 4WD is the best thing.Kawasicki said:
Blown2CV said:
J4CKO said:
Welshbeef said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, but its like a house tamed evo, it doesnt do 15 mpg on SUL, it doesnt need servicing every 4000 miles, a Golf is acceptable to females where Scoobys and Evos are embarassing to them, oh and you can get one for £250 a month or not much more, where Evos and the like required capital or a massive loan.
It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
Isn't the M135i a superior drive? More power more torque rwd faster It is a good all rounder, not the Holy Grail.
I find RWD a bit hopeless int he wet with big power, my CLS on new premium tyres will light the traction light very easily, happens in the dry as well so 4wd seems quite appealing sometimes, I know it isnt purist but its bloody effective.
t about, but most don't really know why. If the car is dynamically sorted then it doesn't matter whether it's AWD or RWD. In reality grip just matters more... you're not going to be drifting on public roads unless you're a tool, and if you're really trying to post fast lap times or VMAX then grip is what you want. I like the idea of RWD as much as the next guy, especially when compared to FWD, but when it comes down to it for the vast majority of people, and the vast majority of the time, 4WD is the best thing.Blown2CV said:
i didn't say RWD is useless, just that most people have no idea why it's better and couldn't put it into words if they tried.
No you just equated RWD with drifting.Also, how does 4wd help with VMAX?
Are dragsters 4wd or rwd?
Also, the majority of people in the UK crawl around in congested traffic, how does 4WD help there?
Kawasicki said:
Blown2CV said:
i didn't say RWD is useless, just that most people have no idea why it's better and couldn't put it into words if they tried.
No you just equated RWD with drifting.Also, how does 4wd help with VMAX?
Are dragsters 4wd or rwd?
Also, the majority of people in the UK crawl around in congested traffic, how does 4WD help there?
Why is 4WD better for my needs. Worse steering, more weight, more complexity, greater tyre wear, heavier on fuel, not as involving and mostly installed in things I have no interest in.
But better?
I suggest anyone who doesn't understand rents a Caterham. No more than about 150HP, you'll get it.
But better?
I suggest anyone who doesn't understand rents a Caterham. No more than about 150HP, you'll get it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 30th March 22:43
Blown2CV said:
you tell me why RWD is better then, being as you're a vehicle dynamics engineer, although to be honest as i notice you're based in australia i am guessing you might be a touch RWD biased. Can you even get Golfs over there?
"better", well it depends on what your needs arefor me -
a few RWD advantages over AWD
lighter
smaller turning circle
less understeer when accelerating
better fuel consumption
a couple of areas where AWD has advantages over RWD
benign behaviour when accelerating
climbing steep inclines or accelerating on lower friction surfaces
Blown2CV said:
i didn't say RWD is useless, just that most people have no idea why it's better and couldn't put it into words if they tried.
I did try (see below). Not sure why you keep referring to "most people" or "majority" : what does it matter if they don't? How does that affect you ?nickfrog said:
But who cares about the majority? Who cares about why OTHER people choose a drivetrain ?
As you say, if a car drives well, it doesn't really matter what wheels are driven. And the likelihood of a RWD car allowing a sound dynamic basis is higher in terms of weight distribution (and therefore outright lateral grip), polar moment of inertia and therefore handling plus ability to change direction. Not to mention a lower cog in some cases. OK you compromise traction management in low friction situation but personally I don't mind using right foot modulation, even if I am slower : every day is a school day !
A 4wd front engine car will often be more compromised in terms of added weight and/or will have the entire block ahead of the front axle (VAG).
So it's a personal choice/preference and surely many driving enthusiasts choose RWD knowingly for its obvious inherent benefits.
As you say, if a car drives well, it doesn't really matter what wheels are driven. And the likelihood of a RWD car allowing a sound dynamic basis is higher in terms of weight distribution (and therefore outright lateral grip), polar moment of inertia and therefore handling plus ability to change direction. Not to mention a lower cog in some cases. OK you compromise traction management in low friction situation but personally I don't mind using right foot modulation, even if I am slower : every day is a school day !
A 4wd front engine car will often be more compromised in terms of added weight and/or will have the entire block ahead of the front axle (VAG).
So it's a personal choice/preference and surely many driving enthusiasts choose RWD knowingly for its obvious inherent benefits.
Blown2CV said:
i didn't say RWD is useless, just that most people have no idea why it's better and couldn't put it into words if they tried.
With RWD you don't see the tree that kills youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFX-TFP3wdw
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