Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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shakotan said:
New POD said:
who are we reporting these to?
I usually send a link via the crime stoppers report a crime anonymously web page .
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/give...
I don't want Ebay to take them down until PLOD has been round and got all the evidence they need for a conviction, unfortunately I have no idea of the outcomes of the many links I have sent.
ACPO AVCIS - http://avcis.police.uk/I usually send a link via the crime stoppers report a crime anonymously web page .
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/give...
I don't want Ebay to take them down until PLOD has been round and got all the evidence they need for a conviction, unfortunately I have no idea of the outcomes of the many links I have sent.
They deal specifically with vehicle-related crime.
When I began reporting them, one of the officer asked me to use the following e-mail address.
Vehicle Fraud - intel@avcis.pnn.police.uk
I started reporting Novas with 16V engines "nudge nudge wink wink, cheap insurance and tax" after I realised that 1.0 Novas and Corsas were uninsurable for a 17 year old, despite them being very slow. I assume the cause is claims made where the insurance company don't spot the modifications?
Cliftonite said:
What do you feel is wrong with that? GC8 said:
What do you feel is wrong with that?
It's a chassis which has essentially been damaged beyond repair & is pretty much scrap metal - but the seller is still happy to "post" the logbook to the winning bidder if collection of the chassis itself isn't possible 
Also PMSL @ an "NG" must be the rarer version of the MG
AlexRS2782 said:
PMSL @ an "NG" must be the rarer version of the MG
http://www.ngownersclub.org.uk/NG-TF.htmlI see the moral issue, but that isnt my point. It would be foolish to argue about points on a kit car built from used parts, so the identity stays with the chassis.
I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
marshalla said:
AlexRS2782 said:
PMSL @ an "NG" must be the rarer version of the MG
http://www.ngownersclub.org.uk/NG-TF.html
TBH I never even knew that was a real kit & existed & just it was the usual eBay typo - learn something new everyday GC8 said:
I see the moral issue, but that isnt my point. It would be foolish to argue about points on a kit car built from used parts, so the identity stays with the chassis.
I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
I think the point is that based on the location, there is no way anyone will ever want to collect the chassis or pay for the export / import charges so essentially they're buying the V5 alone which will end up being used to hide an identity I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 15th July 18:48
AlexRS2782 said:
marshalla said:
AlexRS2782 said:
PMSL @ an "NG" must be the rarer version of the MG
http://www.ngownersclub.org.uk/NG-TF.html TBH I never even knew that was a real kit & existed & just it was the usual eBay typo - learn something new everyday GC8 said:
I see the moral issue, but that isnt my point. It would be foolish to argue about points on a kit car built from used parts, so the identity stays with the chassis.
I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
I think the point is that based on the location, there is no way anyone will ever want to collect the chassis or pay for the export / import charges so essentially they're buying the V5 alone which will end up being used to hide an identity I regard this as being quite different to a Mini in a Jiffy bag and other identities which are more likely to be used for dishonest purposes than legitimate ones (although taking a car pre-VEL doesnt bother me in the slightest).
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 15th July 18:48
GC8 said:
It isnt a 'ringing kit' - that is my point. Its morally dubious behaviour on the part of a seller, but that isnt the same thing.
Since both are acts of fraudulent misrepresentation for personal gain the subtle distinction concerns me less that the position of the unsuspecting buyer who ends up with a Kit Car which is not at all what it purports to be. If the truth is told Vosa and the DVLA would insist upon a full IVA test. I personally seriously doubt that these cars could ever pass such a test at any realistic level of cost. The unsuspecting buyer of the ringed vehicle will lose virtually all of his investment with little likelihood of recompense. That is my concern.Cliftonite said:
Quote: "Item 190870749762 is no longer available".GC8 said:
It isnt a 'ringing kit' - that is my point. Its morally dubious behaviour on the part of a seller, but that isnt the same thing.
I couldn't see that auction as it had already been pulled, but if it was a UK V5C, selling it is illegal, as it belongs to the DVLA, not the Registered Keeper.shakotan said:
GC8 said:
It isnt a 'ringing kit' - that is my point. Its morally dubious behaviour on the part of a seller, but that isnt the same thing.
I couldn't see that auction as it had already been pulled, but if it was a UK V5C, selling it is illegal, as it belongs to the DVLA, not the Registered Keeper.But you are buying the chassis! People are mistakenly presuming that I am ignorant of the law and the rules with regards to registration, but I am extremely familiar with them.
Yes its morally dubious, but it isnt breaking the law, even if he is willing to post the V5 and leave the chassis languishing in Italy.
If this was a bare crashed Mk1 Escort bodyshell, for example, then I wouldnt have said anything.
Yes its morally dubious, but it isnt breaking the law, even if he is willing to post the V5 and leave the chassis languishing in Italy.
If this was a bare crashed Mk1 Escort bodyshell, for example, then I wouldnt have said anything.
GC8 said:
But you are buying the chassis! People are mistakenly presuming that I am ignorant of the law and the rules with regards to registration, but I am extremely familiar with them.
Yes its morally dubious, but it isnt breaking the law, even if he is willing to post the V5 and leave the chassis languishing in Italy.
If this was a bare crashed Mk1 Escort bodyshell, for example, then I wouldnt have said anything.
We disagree. IMO posting the V5 without the car, the chassis or any mechanics from the car is clearly illegal. How could this document legally be used in registration without any pert of the original car present? It is illegal and nothing else but illegal. Morals are not the problem.Yes its morally dubious, but it isnt breaking the law, even if he is willing to post the V5 and leave the chassis languishing in Italy.
If this was a bare crashed Mk1 Escort bodyshell, for example, then I wouldnt have said anything.
With a scrapped car the owner is legally obliged to return the log book to the DVLA and notify destruction of the vehicle in accordance with the law. Retaining the V5 scrapping the car and selling the V5 without the car must be fraudulent misrepresentation because the ownership has passed to the DVLA.
Adverts and listing for chassis and bodies with the classic "You'll need a broom and bucket for the chassis" or "Free Postage" are obviously the seller trying to get around the ringing kit by listing the whole or remains of a chassis but with no actual intent to sell the chassis or body itself. By removing the VIN and number plates folding the V5 around it and sticing it in the post. Chances are the chassis or body itself are long gone and the seller is well aware of the legality of the situation.
I can understand your critique but I think after thirty nine pages we know what we're looking for.
All the best.
I can understand your critique but I think after thirty nine pages we know what we're looking for.
All the best.
P Nuts said:
it all looks so dodgy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/reliant-rialto-del-boy-v...
Crime already committed and confessed to? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/reliant-rialto-del-boy-v...
Cliftonite said:
P Nuts said:
it all looks so dodgy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/reliant-rialto-del-boy-v...
Crime already committed and confessed to? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/reliant-rialto-del-boy-v...
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