Best Smoker Barges - 1 - 5 Large [Vol 2]
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Probably more of a shed than a barge but for under £600 how often do you find 6 cylinders, 12 months Test and 9 months Tax?
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Baryonyx said:
With reference to the Lexus LS430 on the other page, what does the term 'Bug price' mean? Other than "£2000 cheaper".
911V said:
How do our prices work, why do we operate such a strange scheme and what security do you have buying from us ?
If a car dealer says they are going to service a car before you drive it away then it doesn`t take a genius to know that in most cases that means the absolute bare minimum. Every penny spent is a penny less profit. See how many dealers cash in £50-100 worth of road tax, they aren't going to rush out and blow £1,500 pounds on a no holds barred service.
We developed a unique pricing scheme in 1999 (hence the name). It allows you to choose how much support you want us to provide and see exactly what work is carried out on your car prior to collection. It also affords you the benefit of a safety net should something untoward happen. There's a bit of reading unfortunately but at least you'll be fully informed and everything is laid out in the open.
We have two prices. The retail price (in bold) and the Millennium bug price (in pink). There is normally a £2,000 difference between the two prices.
We spend a lot of time ensuring the cars we take into stock represent the upper level of what is available within their respective peer groups. As well as carefully inspecting the cars we also have full computer diagnostic facilities up to and including the latest models. Most of our stock is sourced directly from their private owners, many having been recently serviced and cherished by enthusiasts.
It is important to point out that we own our stock outright, for this reason we want to be certain we have bought wisely and end up rejecting many more cars than we buy. This is in marked contrast to someone selling other people's cars on a commission basis. They have no financial commitment to the car, merely offering it for sale. If it sells it sells, if it doesn't it goes back to the owner. You as the buyer have to act as quality control officer!
The Retail or Bold price
At the retail price we send the car away to a good marque specialist or main dealer, for a service regardless of whether one is due or not. They look for faults that need correcting and we then correct those faults and stand by the car for 3 months or 3,000 miles which ever comes first. This doesn`t just cover things breaking, it also covers any wear and tear items overlooked at the point of service. The only things we don`t cover are stereos and alarms or other security products.
The Millennium bug or Pink price
The pink price is for the car exactly as it stands. We don`t service it before it leaves us. You are however guaranteed clean title to the car in terms of ownership. Having saved £2,000 on the retail price if something were to fail on the car you have this money to cover replacement or repair. It allows you to buy the car at what we reckon is pretty much the private sale price, all be it on a car we have inspected and deemed good enough to buy with our own money then put into stock. It also allows you to make comparisons with other dealers if you feel all they are going to do is wipe over the car with an oily rag before you take delivery.
The important bit : We don't wish to disadvantage someone buying at the bug price or shirk our responsibilities as reputable dealers so we police it in the following way. Were you to buy a car at the bug price and a problem occur within the retail price guarantee period costing more than difference between what you paid and the retail price to correct we will allow you to retrospectively pay the difference between the two prices and will correct the problem as with a retail sale. The millennium bug price is not intended to affect your statutory rights as a consumer.
Example : You pay £20,000 for a car at the bug price, the retail price was £22,000. Ten weeks into ownership it suddenly develops a fault with the engine that costs £5,000 to cure. You pay the £2,000 difference to make the car up to the retail price and we step in with the remainder of the money. If, say an alternator failed that cost £300 to sort out then that would be down to you because even after you`d paid the £300 you would still be £1,700 better of than someone choosing to pay the retail price. Once the retail price guarantee period is over you`ve still got the remainder of any money saved. A case of having your cake and eating it at the same time.
Millennium bug price plus service at cost (our recommended purchase method)
Having a car serviced before taking delivery ensures you start off with a clean sheet of paper, although it's worth bearing in mind that many of our cars will have been recently serviced. We don`t have service facilities on site because we feel there is a conflict of interest when doing your own pre-sales service work. Why would you want to look too hard when it`s you that is footing the bill to correct anything found.
The network of specialists and main dealers we use are all totally independent from us and as such not partisan. They are not going to sully their reputation just so we can make a bit of profit selling a car. We have working relationships with them and we have a dialogue which allows us to understand what work does and doesn`t need attending to allowing for relative age and other influencing factors. We would never ask them to compromise their beliefs and standards. In general garages hate working for car dealers because they always want to cover over the cracks or take the cheapest rather than the best route to solving a problem. The people who carry out service work for us are often our most vocal supporters because they know if it needs doing then we'll do it properly.
After receiving a deposit we deliver the car for service. Once finished we collect the vehicle and prepare it in the usual manner for hand over. You pay the cost of the service work and will get a copy of the invoice. We put no mark-up on the bills. Should the bill exceed the difference between the Bug and retail price then we step in, pay the difference and the sale reverts to a retail sale. In the event (as is usually the case) that you save money on the retail price then we stand to the car during what would have been the retail price guarantee period as per the Millennium bug price as outlined above.
Example : You pay £20,000 for a car at the bug price and take it at the bug price plus service at cost. The service bill comes in at £1,200. Once again ten weeks into ownership the vehicle develops an engine fault that costs £5,000 to cure. You can retrospectively top up the sale to the retail price by paying the £800 difference and we will step in with the remainder of the money. Again, if an alternator failed that cost £300 to cure that would be down to you because you would still be £500 better off than if you`d gone down the retail price route.
Extended warranty - (Available on all our pricing schemes).
We have developed a scheme which satisfies our customer's biggest worries, namely what happens if an engine lets go or a gearbox breaks. For £400 in the first year you get cover against internal mechanical breakage in the engine or gearbox. There are some ancillary components covered such as engine & anti-lock braking electronic control units but primarily it`s there for the engine and gearbox. The claim limit is the value of the vehicle and providing it`s a straight repair no excess to pay. If there is substantial betterment then a contribution could be asked for. If a factory new engine is deemed to be the best solution and fitted then a contribution of £3,000 is required, (the total job costs around £10,000 and includes new engine ancillaries as well as the engine it`s self). The warranty does not cover gradual deterioration through age and usage. Full details of the scheme are available from our office.
And when things do go wrong?
It is with a sense of pride that in all the time we`ve been trading and after selling thousands of cars never once have we needed to secure the services of a solicitor to defend legal action resulting from a dispute with a customer. That is not to say there haven`t been instances where customers have had problems - we sell a complex mechanical object. What hopefully it does show is that we look at any situation with fair and honest eyes trying to see things from the customer's perspective rather than just our own. Reputations have to be earned and we aren`t happy resting on ours we want to build on it.
If a car dealer says they are going to service a car before you drive it away then it doesn`t take a genius to know that in most cases that means the absolute bare minimum. Every penny spent is a penny less profit. See how many dealers cash in £50-100 worth of road tax, they aren't going to rush out and blow £1,500 pounds on a no holds barred service.
We developed a unique pricing scheme in 1999 (hence the name). It allows you to choose how much support you want us to provide and see exactly what work is carried out on your car prior to collection. It also affords you the benefit of a safety net should something untoward happen. There's a bit of reading unfortunately but at least you'll be fully informed and everything is laid out in the open.
We have two prices. The retail price (in bold) and the Millennium bug price (in pink). There is normally a £2,000 difference between the two prices.
We spend a lot of time ensuring the cars we take into stock represent the upper level of what is available within their respective peer groups. As well as carefully inspecting the cars we also have full computer diagnostic facilities up to and including the latest models. Most of our stock is sourced directly from their private owners, many having been recently serviced and cherished by enthusiasts.
It is important to point out that we own our stock outright, for this reason we want to be certain we have bought wisely and end up rejecting many more cars than we buy. This is in marked contrast to someone selling other people's cars on a commission basis. They have no financial commitment to the car, merely offering it for sale. If it sells it sells, if it doesn't it goes back to the owner. You as the buyer have to act as quality control officer!
The Retail or Bold price
At the retail price we send the car away to a good marque specialist or main dealer, for a service regardless of whether one is due or not. They look for faults that need correcting and we then correct those faults and stand by the car for 3 months or 3,000 miles which ever comes first. This doesn`t just cover things breaking, it also covers any wear and tear items overlooked at the point of service. The only things we don`t cover are stereos and alarms or other security products.
The Millennium bug or Pink price
The pink price is for the car exactly as it stands. We don`t service it before it leaves us. You are however guaranteed clean title to the car in terms of ownership. Having saved £2,000 on the retail price if something were to fail on the car you have this money to cover replacement or repair. It allows you to buy the car at what we reckon is pretty much the private sale price, all be it on a car we have inspected and deemed good enough to buy with our own money then put into stock. It also allows you to make comparisons with other dealers if you feel all they are going to do is wipe over the car with an oily rag before you take delivery.
The important bit : We don't wish to disadvantage someone buying at the bug price or shirk our responsibilities as reputable dealers so we police it in the following way. Were you to buy a car at the bug price and a problem occur within the retail price guarantee period costing more than difference between what you paid and the retail price to correct we will allow you to retrospectively pay the difference between the two prices and will correct the problem as with a retail sale. The millennium bug price is not intended to affect your statutory rights as a consumer.
Example : You pay £20,000 for a car at the bug price, the retail price was £22,000. Ten weeks into ownership it suddenly develops a fault with the engine that costs £5,000 to cure. You pay the £2,000 difference to make the car up to the retail price and we step in with the remainder of the money. If, say an alternator failed that cost £300 to sort out then that would be down to you because even after you`d paid the £300 you would still be £1,700 better of than someone choosing to pay the retail price. Once the retail price guarantee period is over you`ve still got the remainder of any money saved. A case of having your cake and eating it at the same time.
Millennium bug price plus service at cost (our recommended purchase method)
Having a car serviced before taking delivery ensures you start off with a clean sheet of paper, although it's worth bearing in mind that many of our cars will have been recently serviced. We don`t have service facilities on site because we feel there is a conflict of interest when doing your own pre-sales service work. Why would you want to look too hard when it`s you that is footing the bill to correct anything found.
The network of specialists and main dealers we use are all totally independent from us and as such not partisan. They are not going to sully their reputation just so we can make a bit of profit selling a car. We have working relationships with them and we have a dialogue which allows us to understand what work does and doesn`t need attending to allowing for relative age and other influencing factors. We would never ask them to compromise their beliefs and standards. In general garages hate working for car dealers because they always want to cover over the cracks or take the cheapest rather than the best route to solving a problem. The people who carry out service work for us are often our most vocal supporters because they know if it needs doing then we'll do it properly.
After receiving a deposit we deliver the car for service. Once finished we collect the vehicle and prepare it in the usual manner for hand over. You pay the cost of the service work and will get a copy of the invoice. We put no mark-up on the bills. Should the bill exceed the difference between the Bug and retail price then we step in, pay the difference and the sale reverts to a retail sale. In the event (as is usually the case) that you save money on the retail price then we stand to the car during what would have been the retail price guarantee period as per the Millennium bug price as outlined above.
Example : You pay £20,000 for a car at the bug price and take it at the bug price plus service at cost. The service bill comes in at £1,200. Once again ten weeks into ownership the vehicle develops an engine fault that costs £5,000 to cure. You can retrospectively top up the sale to the retail price by paying the £800 difference and we will step in with the remainder of the money. Again, if an alternator failed that cost £300 to cure that would be down to you because you would still be £500 better off than if you`d gone down the retail price route.
Extended warranty - (Available on all our pricing schemes).
We have developed a scheme which satisfies our customer's biggest worries, namely what happens if an engine lets go or a gearbox breaks. For £400 in the first year you get cover against internal mechanical breakage in the engine or gearbox. There are some ancillary components covered such as engine & anti-lock braking electronic control units but primarily it`s there for the engine and gearbox. The claim limit is the value of the vehicle and providing it`s a straight repair no excess to pay. If there is substantial betterment then a contribution could be asked for. If a factory new engine is deemed to be the best solution and fitted then a contribution of £3,000 is required, (the total job costs around £10,000 and includes new engine ancillaries as well as the engine it`s self). The warranty does not cover gradual deterioration through age and usage. Full details of the scheme are available from our office.
And when things do go wrong?
It is with a sense of pride that in all the time we`ve been trading and after selling thousands of cars never once have we needed to secure the services of a solicitor to defend legal action resulting from a dispute with a customer. That is not to say there haven`t been instances where customers have had problems - we sell a complex mechanical object. What hopefully it does show is that we look at any situation with fair and honest eyes trying to see things from the customer's perspective rather than just our own. Reputations have to be earned and we aren`t happy resting on ours we want to build on it.
Zwolf said:
Seems rather daft to sell it here where it looks overpriced compared with our domestic stuff then doesn't it? Factor in that car came over from Europe in 2006 so the owner will have had to pay an EU rather than UK price for it, so overall, they're possibly no better off at all.
If he doesn't speak dutch and has no access to the dutch market it makes sense to advertise here and hope to attract some of the Europeans who search the UK market.hornetrider said:
E38Ross said:
Buy it. If I had one, I'd take you for a quick spin 
Gotta the 728i back yet?
Tis confirmed fixed...Gotta the 728i back yet?
Dare I ask... Cost? Tell you what though, forza prices seem VERY competitive considering imo.
E38Ross said:
Happy days. Back to barging again eh? What have you been commuting in?
Dare I ask... Cost? Tell you what though, forza prices seem VERY competitive considering imo.
WFH mostly but on the days I've needed to be in (3 since going bargeless) I've been taking the MX5. Put 650 miles on it - showing me the benefits of the barge in keeping the miles off the 5.Dare I ask... Cost? Tell you what though, forza prices seem VERY competitive considering imo.
Very pleased with the price, less than a tank and a half of fuel and they washed it as well. Apparently the crankcase breather diaphragm went so was replaced. Life is all good once more
Garlick said:
Already sold dude!Garlick said:
It's also sold as your website has broken 
(I wish i'd seen it though)
hornetrider said:
E38Ross said:
Happy days. Back to barging again eh? What have you been commuting in?
Dare I ask... Cost? Tell you what though, forza prices seem VERY competitive considering imo.
WFH mostly but on the days I've needed to be in (3 since going bargeless) I've been taking the MX5. Put 650 miles on it - showing me the benefits of the barge in keeping the miles off the 5.Dare I ask... Cost? Tell you what though, forza prices seem VERY competitive considering imo.
Very pleased with the price, less than a tank and a half of fuel and they washed it as well. Apparently the crankcase breather diaphragm went so was replaced. Life is all good once more
LHD said:
Garlick said:
Haha, highlight the broken advert Garlick you t
t! Please excuse me..
>runs<
Maybe its not a bad idea to buy one for £500 and pop in a rebuilt block with stepped liners. If you REALLY have to have a P38 in your life that is.
E38Ross said:
not bad at all. if my barge needs anything else doing to it, it'll be going there, no questions asked.
Yes very pleased. Just been googling CCV symptoms actually and smoke on startup and oil consumption are two of the indicators which were present on mine, so hopefully this will have cured that too.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff