The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XIX)
Discussion
L100NYY said:
I think the sales description is stretching things. Porsche would have known by this stage that they were going to use the Mezger engine for the race cars so this isn't some pre-homologation prototype, which is kind of how it is being pitched. It's a very nicely specified unicorn C2, ordered by a dealer as a demo to whet the appetite for potential buyers of the impending all-new model name, i.e. GT3.
Which makes it a nice story and worth a premium as a unicorn, but it's not a piece of history that's worth £40k in 2024.
L100NYY said:
Have the prices softened on these? I think I remember them at £130-150 a few years back. 
Seem good value compared to the crazy money being asked for much more mundane stuff and compared to other similarly rare 911’s.
L100NYY said:
I still remember standing outside a Porsche shop gawping at a brand new GT2 in their window. Must have been 2001ish. The Carbon brakes - a first for Me - the big spoilers, wings and scoops. It was just so aggressive looking. I wanna say this one had a roll cage and buckets but can't be sure. Made the normal 996tt look like a boring old turd. I remember thinking I would never have one of them - the price was like 125000. Which is the exact reason I want one now. And I can't even bring myself to consider a vanilla 996tt.Chris Stott said:
L100NYY said:
Have the prices softened on these? I think I remember them at £130-150 a few years back. Seem good value compared to the crazy money being asked for much more mundane stuff and compared to other similarly rare 911’s.
I really don't get on with the GT2 looks for reason, same as the Turbo. I know it's not massively wider but it just looks heavy handed compared to the standard 996 soap bar look and the big intakes on the front totally imbalance the look.
Whereas the 997 suits the wide body more.
The experience however
Chris from circuit-days took me around Le Mans in a certain speed yellow one and left foot braked all the way round on the poor standard ceramics-jeez louise with the boost built up it was like a rocket ship!
Whereas the 997 suits the wide body more.
The experience however
Chris from circuit-days took me around Le Mans in a certain speed yellow one and left foot braked all the way round on the poor standard ceramics-jeez louise with the boost built up it was like a rocket ship!
k off’ in a way no other 911 does other than maybe a 993 GT2. Chris Stott said:
L100NYY said:
Have the prices softened on these? I think I remember them at £130-150 a few years back. Seem good value compared to the crazy money being asked for much more mundane stuff and compared to other similarly rare 911’s.
The spec is exciting stuff, but I don't possess the driving talent necessary to drive one with any serious intent without bending it (a common trait I reckon - I wonder how many are pranged?), some scenery and most probably myself.
Leins said:
Lovely, my favourite water-cooled 911
I’m not too sure about the “appreciating nature” of these, given that probably would have been asking over £120k this time last year from what I can tell
Actually, this is very much the answer to the hypothetical question of where I’d put my £100k, which recently would have been a CLK Black or a V12V. All are a league above a CSL as far as I’m concerned
I'm not sure what is of an "appreciating nature" nowadays, or for how long. Somewhere down the line the number of potential buyers for these things starts to shrink as they're of less interest. Younger generations don't seem so enthusiastic about the things that previous generations and lusted after and cherished. This is compounded by legislation changes perhaps starting to limit their usage. I’m not too sure about the “appreciating nature” of these, given that probably would have been asking over £120k this time last year from what I can tell
Actually, this is very much the answer to the hypothetical question of where I’d put my £100k, which recently would have been a CLK Black or a V12V. All are a league above a CSL as far as I’m concerned
Edited by Leins on Tuesday 9th April 18:40
I think the number of cars that could be considered an "investment" is shrinking.
Moving away from Pork and back to more Loon esque fodder.
This is utterly fantastic and would be perfect for Tour Auto -
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/alfa-romeo/al...
This is utterly fantastic and would be perfect for Tour Auto -
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/alfa-romeo/al...
Edited by L100NYY on Tuesday 9th April 19:21
braddo said:
L100NYY said:
I think the sales description is stretching things. Porsche would have known by this stage that they were going to use the Mezger engine for the race cars so this isn't some pre-homologation prototype, which is kind of how it is being pitched. It's a very nicely specified unicorn C2, ordered by a dealer as a demo to whet the appetite for potential buyers of the impending all-new model name, i.e. GT3.Which makes it a nice story and worth a premium as a unicorn, but it's not a piece of history that's worth £40k in 2024.
There was an article, on Renssport IIRC, which I can't find now, that went in to some detail as to the GT3's original development which alluded to the 3.4 potentially being used as a racing engine, rather than the Mezger GT1 derived engine, but that was only as a contingency if the 3.6 didn't meet some regulations.
Given how long it has been for sale, the market appears to agree that it's not a £40k car.
L100NYY said:
Are these not a case of tutta bocca e niente pantaloni though?ferrisbueller said:
They got up over £120k. They were around £40k in 2014 when I looked, but bought something else, as you know.
The spec is exciting stuff, but I don't possess the driving talent necessary to drive one with any serious intent without bending it (a common trait I reckon - I wonder how many are pranged?), some scenery and most probably myself.
Your other choice was lovely too! The spec is exciting stuff, but I don't possess the driving talent necessary to drive one with any serious intent without bending it (a common trait I reckon - I wonder how many are pranged?), some scenery and most probably myself.
Indeed… of all 911’s, I reckon a 996 GT2 is probably the 911 most likely to kill its driver.
L100NYY said:
Absolutely different class. ferrisbueller said:
They got up over £120k. They were around £40k in 2014 when I looked, but bought something else, as you know.
The spec is exciting stuff, but I don't possess the driving talent necessary to drive one with any serious intent without bending it (a common trait I reckon - I wonder how many are pranged?), some scenery and most probably myself.
I sold Porsche 2004-2005 and we hated it whenever our buyer bought one. They were such a struggle to sell, we had to price them under an equivalent uses Turbo to get them gone. Different story since then!The spec is exciting stuff, but I don't possess the driving talent necessary to drive one with any serious intent without bending it (a common trait I reckon - I wonder how many are pranged?), some scenery and most probably myself.
minimoog said:
L100NYY said:
Are these not a case of tutta bocca e niente pantaloni though?biggbn said:
minimoog said:
L100NYY said:
Are these not a case of tutta bocca e niente pantaloni though?
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