Rapid estate cars v diesel estate
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I have recently purchased a V70 T5.
Just had a remap, here are the results. Very quick car with the remap and reasonable running costs.
I have had faster cars in the past but this is a good compromise between performance and running costs (in these times of austerity!).
Here is the dyno from the remapping seesion. Big thanks to Hamish at HLM
Just had a remap, here are the results. Very quick car with the remap and reasonable running costs.
I have had faster cars in the past but this is a good compromise between performance and running costs (in these times of austerity!).
Here is the dyno from the remapping seesion. Big thanks to Hamish at HLM
Garett said:
I have no idea why he keeps comparing it to a Seat Leon 20v T.
By the figures I have:
Saab 9-5 Aero - 250bhp, 1524kg = 164 bhp/ton
Seat Leon 20v T - 180bhp, 1308kg = 138 bhp/ton
The Saab also wipes the floor in the 0-60 dash, 6.5 against 7.7. The Saab doesn't really hit its stride until 40mph so I imagine the 0-100 dash would be an embarrassment for the Seat.
Torque figures are also generally more important than bhp so the Saabs 260 lb/ft against the Seats measly 173 lb/ft would make it not only feel, but actually be significantly faster.
Not really comparable are they?
I also mullered a Leon once in my old Saab 9000 in the dual carriageway '2nd gear coming off a roundabout' dash, and that only had 230 bhp, but had 266 lb/ft of torque.
Also if we're going by facts and figures the 9-5 isn't far off your E90 330d automatic; 6.5s v 6.3s 0-60, 250bhp v 245bhp, naturally the diesel has more torque but in your own words the performance " blows me away" and they're not exactly fast when compared to an S4 or M5.
Sadly in your numbers you have the weight of the saloon not the estate it's 1750kg ish check the stats and the recalculate you will get the 144bhp per tonne I showed. By the figures I have:
Saab 9-5 Aero - 250bhp, 1524kg = 164 bhp/ton
Seat Leon 20v T - 180bhp, 1308kg = 138 bhp/ton
The Saab also wipes the floor in the 0-60 dash, 6.5 against 7.7. The Saab doesn't really hit its stride until 40mph so I imagine the 0-100 dash would be an embarrassment for the Seat.
Torque figures are also generally more important than bhp so the Saabs 260 lb/ft against the Seats measly 173 lb/ft would make it not only feel, but actually be significantly faster.
Not really comparable are they?
I also mullered a Leon once in my old Saab 9000 in the dual carriageway '2nd gear coming off a roundabout' dash, and that only had 230 bhp, but had 266 lb/ft of torque.
Also if we're going by facts and figures the 9-5 isn't far off your E90 330d automatic; 6.5s v 6.3s 0-60, 250bhp v 245bhp, naturally the diesel has more torque but in your own words the performance " blows me away" and they're not exactly fast when compared to an S4 or M5.
Edited by Garett on Saturday 14th April 13:33
If you blew a Leon away from a round a bout it is more to do with going for it at exactly the same time no more or less momentum than the other and both going for it just as hard. And also was it a healthy example how many passengers how much luggage etc.
What is the 0-100mph time for the Aero?
Also as for 330d v the Aero well the 330d has 165bhp per tonne plus of course 500Nm so clearly it is quicker and by a good 20odd bhp per tonne. Then clearly the party trick of the 330d is lots of low end grunt hence its competitive increments in gear.
Also 5 seconds vs mid 7's 30-70 mph when a McLaren Mp4-c12 only does it in 2.3 seconds kind of highlights the 330d is pretty nippy in that zone hence that's it's party trick. If an Aero takes 50% more time than the 330d does to do it that's quite a difference
End of te day assuming someone doesnt have ditch finders on and it's not greasy then the car with te higher bhp per tonne is faster in accelerating and as we are talking about less than 100mph drag isn't going to have any significant impact to the results.
Sorry.
FloppyRaccoon said:
Surely power to weight is far less important than actual power once a car is moving at a decent speed?
Torque curves have a great deal to do with it too but welshboeuf has focused solely on power to weight. OP you better fookin update this thread with what you buy, pictures of it and how fast it feels vs it's on paper stats.
Trouble causer.
dave_s13 said:
Torque curves have a great deal to do with it too but welshboeuf has focused solely on power to weight.
OP you better fookin update this thread with what you buy, pictures of it and how fast it feels vs it's on paper stats.
Trouble causer.
OP you better fookin update this thread with what you buy, pictures of it and how fast it feels vs it's on paper stats.
Trouble causer.
Will do!As for the Forester, have had one so looking elsewhere - great car just want something different.
Welshbeef - GTFO of my thread you plank!Contigo said:
Back on Topic for a minute, have you looked at the S4's I mentioned earlier?
Interesting but probably a step above what I'm looking for - V8, 20mpg combined (prob less with hooning) and a 9/10 year old 115k+ miles car for £5k, sounds like a huge bill about to happen. 344bhp would be lovely but probably overkill for me if I'm going to use a gallon and a half just to get to work and back.66comanche said:
Interesting but probably a step above what I'm looking for - V8, 20mpg combined (prob less with hooning) and a 9/10 year old 115k+ miles car for £5k, sounds like a huge bill about to happen. 344bhp would be lovely but probably overkill for me if I'm going to use a gallon and a half just to get to work and back.
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