So expensive engine oil really does work.
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44lbft gain at 2750rpm. From oil alone? Absolute BS. Sounds like someone stuck a dongle in the OBD2 port to turn the boost up a little, or the MAF sensor mysteriously got plugged back in again.
Which is the most likely: Ford have a very fickle engine, Halfords oil is like treacle, Nanodrive is a wonder chemical or the test was rigged?
Occam's razor would suggest the latter, given the fantastical results.
Which is the most likely: Ford have a very fickle engine, Halfords oil is like treacle, Nanodrive is a wonder chemical or the test was rigged?
Occam's razor would suggest the latter, given the fantastical results.
McSam said:
Thought I'd seen this thread before. I was hoping that it was resurrected because Scuffers had got the go-ahead to conduct an independent test, that would be nice!
Even better would be a set of proper engine dyno runs in a test cell. I suppose it's theoretically possible that Millers have come up with a formulation that offers the protection of a thicker grade, but with a drastic reduction in friction over cheaper oils, but until we get proper independent testing it's hard to say much.
nice idea, but apparently, I am a p1key who was after some free oil to test.... Even better would be a set of proper engine dyno runs in a test cell. I suppose it's theoretically possible that Millers have come up with a formulation that offers the protection of a thicker grade, but with a drastic reduction in friction over cheaper oils, but until we get proper independent testing it's hard to say much.
(I guess anybody offering to do a geniune back to back test in a controlled environment is frowned upon...)
mat777 said:
On the subject of "super oil".... Did anyone ever conclusively prove the benefits of Slick 50? I'm considering putting some in at the next oil change on my TD5
Was just thinking this thread reminded me of that!I remember it's sales pitch from the 80s. They ran a treated Capri engine with no oil in it at all, for 12 minutes (IIRC), before it welded itself together.
The upshot was: the particles are too big to pass through some oil filters, which caused oil starvation in some engines.
What's with Magnatec as well? Why would you want oil to 'stick' to conrods?
SuperchargedVR6 said:
mat777 said:
On the subject of "super oil".... Did anyone ever conclusively prove the benefits of Slick 50? I'm considering putting some in at the next oil change on my TD5
Was just thinking this thread reminded me of that!I remember it's sales pitch from the 80s. They ran a treated Capri engine with no oil in it at all, for 12 minutes (IIRC), before it welded itself together.
The upshot was: the particles are too big to pass through some oil filters, which caused oil starvation in some engines.
What's with Magnatec as well? Why would you want oil to 'stick' to conrods?
DuPont refused to sell them PTFE so they used cheap clone PTFE that was rubbish. Not that PTFE particles have any place in an engine.
What you can do is get some boron nano-particles and wipe them over the sliding metal pieces in your engine to make them more slippery, but adding anything to the engine oil is IMO very risky.
Some oil additive was made of lead ball bearings I recall, another good way to f
k up one's engine. The key ingredient to engine live is actually Synthetic Oil, even the regular PAO stuff. Then change it now and again. The advantage of synthetic is that it's more slippery so you pay more for the oil but get better MPG. Esp. when cold - as the viscosity is more stable.Places like Halfords still sell Slick 50, so did they win the lawsuit on a technicality?
Agreed on just using a decent quality synthetic oil and leaving the snake oil products on the shelf. I've been using ester based synthetics for years. Fuchs Silkolene Pro S is a particularly good one (or Titan S as it's now branded), as are Redline and Motul 300V but Silkolene is better priced.
I believe Ester synthetics were originally developed for jet engine lubrication, so it should provide ample lubrication and protection in a car engine!
Agreed on just using a decent quality synthetic oil and leaving the snake oil products on the shelf. I've been using ester based synthetics for years. Fuchs Silkolene Pro S is a particularly good one (or Titan S as it's now branded), as are Redline and Motul 300V but Silkolene is better priced.
I believe Ester synthetics were originally developed for jet engine lubrication, so it should provide ample lubrication and protection in a car engine!
peter pan said:
....I contacted Opie Oils, and was helped by Tim. Definately know their stuff.....
Tim at Opie told me (by email) that Motul X-Max 8100 was an ester based oil. I subsequently bought a lot of it as it was at a good price only to find out that it's not! After querying this and providing proof to Tim, all went quiet! 
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Places like Halfords still sell Slick 50, so did they win the lawsuit on a technicality?
i understand dupont tried to get slick 50 to stop using ptfe in their product, claiming it had no benefit whatsoever in a car engine. they probably won the arguement that it has no benefit, but failed to stop slick 50 selling it.skinny said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Places like Halfords still sell Slick 50, so did they win the lawsuit on a technicality?
i understand dupont tried to get slick 50 to stop using ptfe in their product, claiming it had no benefit whatsoever in a car engine. they probably won the arguement that it has no benefit, but failed to stop slick 50 selling it.If we are talking friction and pumping losses as being the only way an oil could increase measured power then I call BS on the claims,
Friction and pumping losses will be proportional to engine speed, i.e the faster the engine turns the greater the losses.
The kind of results Tim from Opie Oils posted are more realistic. 44lb/ft at 2750rpm is BS of the smelliest kind.
Friction and pumping losses will be proportional to engine speed, i.e the faster the engine turns the greater the losses.
The kind of results Tim from Opie Oils posted are more realistic. 44lb/ft at 2750rpm is BS of the smelliest kind.
liner33 said:
Some engine builders/racers have their pistons coated with PTFE, I bought a dragbike engine that has been used treated to it, the pistons were in quite good nick considering the power he was wringing out of it
quite a common practice now, some OEM's have coatings on the thrust side of the pistons to reduce friction and wear.mat777 said:
skinny said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Places like Halfords still sell Slick 50, so did they win the lawsuit on a technicality?
i understand dupont tried to get slick 50 to stop using ptfe in their product, claiming it had no benefit whatsoever in a car engine. they probably won the arguement that it has no benefit, but failed to stop slick 50 selling it.They therefore use other sources that are a bit crap.
It's irrelevant though, there are very few surfaces that touch in an engine, solid particles of PTFE can only make things worse. It won't stick to anything either - a PTFE component is totally different to a bunch of excess particles drifting around. I'd suggest that any solid foreign matter is a bit no-no, and at minimal damage will interfere with the oil flow and work to increase friction, maximal damage will be interfering with ball races etc, although as stated it will all end up in the filter anyway, which will clog and run on bypass - so you'll effectively have lower pressure unfiltered oil after your Slick 50 engine sabotage attempt.
The only thing I have seen that may actually reduce friction is boron nano-particle treatment, but I suspect this can't be casually added to oil either.
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