Extreme camber

[SlimJim16v]

When that Darwinism could also take out an innocent party, maybe even myself, NO.

[kambites]

TheLastPost said:

Tyre camber angles are just an extension of that basic principle.

Obviously, although you can do clever things with suspension geometry to give something of the best of both worlds.

[MrBrightSi]

All i can say is that these people are the biggest stain on car culture right now, pushing their silly "STANCE" bull to new levels of dangerous.

I wish they'd take their silly snap backs, sleeve tattoos and gash cars and drown slowly.

[kambites]

TheLastPost said:

Well if you have evidence that accident rates, and attendant injuries/fatalities, are measurably increased by such modifications, you may have a case to legislatively control them.

I think it's likely enough that running 45 degrees of negative camber with square tyres stretched well beyond what they're designed for is dangerous, that I wouldn't wait for enough accidents to form a statistical sample, personally.

You don't really need evidence when something is quite so bloody obvious. I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt to modifications, but to my mind in this situation there is no doubt.


On the stretching thing, I never really understood why tyres weren't type approved for certain wheel sizes. They include the maximum weight of the vehicle in the approval but not the size of wheel that it's going to be fitted to?

Edited by kambites on Sunday 16th September 18:18

Edited by kambites on Sunday 16th September 18:19

[Grenoble]

TheLastPost said:

Well if you have evidence that accident rates, and attendant injuries/fatalities, are measurably increased by such modifications, you may have a case to legislatively control them.

Otherwise, it's just knee-jerk, nanny-state, reactionary politics.

Not really.
Minimal no. of people making the mods = low stats = poor data. Doesn't make it safe, doesn't make it right. Off roads and on tracks - fine. Motorsport is dangerous, it even says it on the tickets. I have no problem with that.

On public roads people have a reasonable expectation that the vehicle (and any mods) have been tested to make them safe. And I would lay money on the road tyres used not having been tested with those loads in mind.

[Mr2Mike]

TheLastPost said:

No. research car. To the best of my knowledge it never raced.

Ah, so all the dubbers are simply doing research There was everyone thinking they were stupid, image obsessed pillocks with the IQ of a snail and zero originality.

TheLastPost said:

Repeat after me:

All Individualism is Bad!

I must be individual. I must stretch my tyres and run stupid camber like all the other individuals.

[kambites]

TheLastPost said:

kambites said:

Obviously, although you can do clever things with suspension geometry to give something of the best of both worlds.

Not with geometry to any great extent, I don't think... it's the Holy Grail, but so far as I am aware, nobody has yet managed to come up with a practical solution (and one that's free from nasty side effects) to geometrically separating the pitch and roll functions. It takes active suspension to do that.

Well obviously you can induce camber changes with deflection with something as simple as unequal length wishbones, so running static camber isn't really necessary. I don't know much about them, but I'm sure people have developed anti-squat/dive mechanisms; you could certainly do it passively with fluid reservoirs.

[emicen]

maniac0796 said:

Baryonyx said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

why? for not following the most pathetic, idiotic, moronic, utterly crap, mindless sheep following the heard, fashion crazy ever to hit the automotive world?

For once Dave, you are quite right.

That Celica is just ridiculous. From the stretched tyres to the sloppy arch extensions. Just...no. Japanese trafpol must be very rare or very lax. You'd not get far looking like that in the UK. There would be an authorised vehicle examiner on your case before you knew it. And quite rightly so. I thought stancing was bad, but this...

The guy in the celica knew everyone would hate that car. But he didn't care, he had a vision, and he wanted to fulfill it. He doesn't give two flying sts what anyone thinks.

He wanted the wheels to stick miles out the car, but keep the tyres under the arches, hence the massive stretch and camber.

Stretch is not longer stretch when the tyres are not even seated on the bead of the rim. Its ridiculously dangerous and just asking for a blowout.

[Rostfritt]

This is just Japanese people being Japanese. There are many other odd car cultures over there we may or may not end up with. It is a bloody weird place and I hope it remains that way.

[Ninjaboy]

Dave Hedgehog said:

thinfourth2 said:

Want it banned?

If you do i hope you are forced to drive a diesel golf in resale grey until you die

why? for not following the most pathetic, idiotic, moronic, utterly crap, mindless sheep following the heard, fashion crazy ever to hit the automotive world?

there's a million ways to modify you car without making yourself look a total , go over to the readers drives section, there's a huge eclectic mix of modified cars in their from cosworth powered mini's to a fiesta being rebuilt to a stunning standard of work to red victor 3!

Well put readers cars does show that there is a little hope less for decently modified cars. This stanced st just seems sad to me.

[jaybirduk]

This video ends it all, please watch at least for 2 mins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs&fea...

oh dear, oh very dear.....

Edit : watch at 3:25 too

[Dave Hedgehog]

jaybirduk said:

This video ends it all, please watch at least for 2 mins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs&fea...

oh dear, oh very dear.....

Edit : watch at 3:25 too

im sorry but WTF

are they lobotomising kids on mass at birth in Japan? or does red bull come with LSD in it?

why do they have house doors glued to the front?

[jaybirduk]

Dave Hedgehog said:

why do they have house doors glued to the front?

Somewhat overshadowed by the crazy scaffold pole exhausts in the sky.

[Marf]

It's called 'Bosozuko' style and I guess its pretty much the dub scene on acid

http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/01/gallery_gt_gt_...

[Dave Hedgehog]

Marf said:

It's called 'Bosozuko' style and I guess its pretty much the dub scene on acid

http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/01/gallery_gt_gt_...

coming to a council estate near you soon ...

[nicanary]

Rostfritt said:

This is just Japanese people being Japanese. There are many other odd car cultures over there we may or may not end up with. It is a bloody weird place and I hope it remains that way.

Not just cars - young women dress up like little girls. it's a paedo paradise.

THose Jap stanced cars are hopefully on private land - most are not registered, and as I understand it their MOT is really strict, which is why they export so many crates over here. And why do they sound like they're powered by 50cc motors?

[saaby93]

jaybirduk said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs&fea...

at those planks?

[Wadeski]

jaybirduk said:

This video ends it all, please watch at least for 2 mins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQptfdSCdhs&fea...

oh dear, oh very dear.....

Edit : watch at 3:25 too

Utterly brilliant. Love it. I wouldn't want to own one, but I'm glad they exist. It's the automotive equivalent of punk Mohicans and full body tattoos.

Some people need to go back to their Barratt homes and jerk off to Audi S-line option catalogues for the imagine on offer.

[xRIEx]

Wadeski said:

Utterly brilliant. Love it. I wouldn't want to own one, but I'm glad they exist. It's the automotive equivalent of punk Mohicans and full body tattoos.

Same here.

[With these feet]

Can you imagine if the drivers there were all fronting their insurance? "But its my mums shopping car" Though I'd imagine most of them were owned by the grandparents judging the age of some of the Datsuns in that clip.


Japanese culture is very very different, still the effort and finish on these cars is to be admired even if they are all show no-go.
Would be interesting to see just how much money they throw at these wacky ricers...