RE: EU to outlaw noisy cars?
Discussion
I totally agree with the 'make electric cars louder' bit. A Prius reversed out of a driveway whilst I was out for a run the other evening and I nearly ran straight into the side of it. Being too quiet is dangerous, whereas being a bit loud on full chat occasionally shouldn't hurt anyone.
I'd be interested to see an actual comparison of the proposed regulation compared to the current one. At the moment, the legislation is fairly restrictive anyway, but there are ways 'round it.
As usual, IMO, it's another article written in true Daily Mirror fasion designed to get everyone worked up again. Let's have some actual hard facts before going mental at the EU again. After all, the rubbish with the modified car laws actually turned out to be nothing significant in the end...
As usual, IMO, it's another article written in true Daily Mirror fasion designed to get everyone worked up again. Let's have some actual hard facts before going mental at the EU again. After all, the rubbish with the modified car laws actually turned out to be nothing significant in the end...
usualdog said:
This legislation won't touch the rude boys who zip up and down my road on unsilenced mopeds, because they're not insured, taxed or anything else so the law can't touch them, and won't touch them. (for fear of inflaming the community) Far better to pick on law-abiding car enthusiasts as usual.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT AFTERMARKET MODIFICATIONS OR EXISTING CARSbennyboysvuk said:
I totally agree with the 'make electric cars louder' bit. A Prius reversed out of a driveway whilst I was out for a run the other evening and I nearly ran straight into the side of it. Being too quiet is dangerous, whereas being a bit loud on full chat occasionally shouldn't hurt anyone.
Yeah, I was out running the other night too, and ran straight into a brick wall! It should have been fitted with warning sirens and flashing lights, it was a bloody danger.Mr Gear said:
Yeah, I was out running the other night too, and ran straight into a brick wall! It should have been fitted with warning sirens and flashing lights, it was a bloody danger.
Similar thing happened to me. Two cows walked up behind me without mooing or making any noise. At the time I failed to switch my eyes on and I had completely cancelled by spatial awareness functions, so I literally walked right into them. Bloody things should be fitted with alarms, I tell ya.The church bells in my local village are pretty loud, as are the various military aircraft that fly low over my house on a regular basis (I'm on the edge of Salisbury Plain). The police helicopter looking for a suspect nearby was making one hell of a racket at 11pm a few weeks ago, and don't even get me started on the glass and paper recycling lorry waking me up at 7am every other Thursday.
Therefore, can we also ban religion, the military, the police, and recycling? And thunder, thunder is loud.
Therefore, can we also ban religion, the military, the police, and recycling? And thunder, thunder is loud.
Not too enthused about this one because as McSam (and others) has already pointed out, it doesn't cover after-market and that's where my problem is.
The occasional loud manufacturer car is ok, but what I really want rid of are all the stupid tin boxes and anti-social arses who seem to think that 10pm to 4am is the PERFECT time to rev the nuts off their vehicle of choice in built up urban areas.
Bring on that legislation!
The occasional loud manufacturer car is ok, but what I really want rid of are all the stupid tin boxes and anti-social arses who seem to think that 10pm to 4am is the PERFECT time to rev the nuts off their vehicle of choice in built up urban areas.
Bring on that legislation!
As my other half memorably put on our first date in Ferrari 430 Spider when the footballer's wife exaust valve opened: "I never realised that toe curling embarrassment could be literally true. This car really releases the inner w
ker doesn't it?"
Do we really need to encourage manufacturers to try to be loud?
Can't we just make the noise the car needs to make and stop there?
Do other people really enjoy all the noise we make and should they have to put up with it?
Wouldn't the world be better if we thought about other people's sensibilities a bit more and showed off a bit less?
ker doesn't it?"Do we really need to encourage manufacturers to try to be loud?
Can't we just make the noise the car needs to make and stop there?
Do other people really enjoy all the noise we make and should they have to put up with it?
Wouldn't the world be better if we thought about other people's sensibilities a bit more and showed off a bit less?
Edited by f328nvl on Thursday 7th February 13:05
vincegail said:
That is a brilliant clip. Just sent it to all my car mates.
P-Jay said:
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After all, it doesn't affect aftermarket pipes, or older cars so it's unlikely to really upset real motoring enthusiasts.
Won't it ?After all, it doesn't affect aftermarket pipes, or older cars so it's unlikely to really upset real motoring enthusiasts.
I believe to be totally legal an exhaust has to be type approved (kite marked ?), there was a lot of problems discussed on scoobynet about people getting fines for the Prodrive exhaust fitted as part of the PPP kit fitted to new cars.
If new cars have VERY quiet exhausts, then aftermarket ones will be even more noticeable and the Police may start getting interested.
This snippet was in the Scoobynet thread
The Minister of State, Department for Transport (Lord Adonis): European-Union-type approval legislation in relation to vehicle noise is primarily concerned with ensuring that new vehicles meet specified noise limits and exhaust standards before they are permitted to enter into service. Mandatory EU-type approval requirements have been transposed into UK regulations.
Control of vehicle noise in service is governed by domestic legislation. Under regulation 54 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, alteration of the exhaust system of a vehicle so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases is an offence. The regulation forbids both the alteration of the silencer itself so as to make the vehicle noisier and the alteration of the exhaust system (by, for instance, replacing the silencer with one of a different pattern) so as to make the vehicle noisier.
For the 'leave-the-EU' brigade: a standalone UK government is just as capable of pursuing this kind of legislation, or worse, if they think the majority of people in the country would benefit. You have just as much representation in the EU as you do in the UK Parliament - get on to your MEP if you feel strongly about this.
f328nvl said:
As my other half memorably put on our first date in Ferrari 430 Spider when the footballer's wife exaust valve opened: "I never realised that toe curling embarrassment could be literally true. This car really releases the inner wker doesn't it?"
Do we really need to encourage manufacturers to try to be loud?
Can't we just make the noise the car needs to make and stop there?
Do other people really enjoy all the noise we make and should they have to put up with it?
Wouldn't the world be better if we thought about other people's sensibilities a bit more and showed off a bit less?
Nah, fker doesn't it?"Do we really need to encourage manufacturers to try to be loud?
Can't we just make the noise the car needs to make and stop there?
Do other people really enjoy all the noise we make and should they have to put up with it?
Wouldn't the world be better if we thought about other people's sensibilities a bit more and showed off a bit less?
Edited by f328nvl on Thursday 7th February 13:05
k 'em 
Surely it depends on context as well, but unfortunately the law never seems to take that into account.
My car is relatively loud at idle, but it certainly doesn't break any laws. It means I can and do trundle through town quite quietly - not bothering anybody.
When people are nearby I'm driving under the speed limit and at low revs, so again it's not an issue.
And when I'm on it, foot to the floor, my car is fking noisy. Considering this only happens 1) on an empty country road, 2) on a track 3) on a slip road - why does there need to be more legislation.
Seems a bit like the idea of punishing people because their cars have the potential to brake the speed limit - rather than actually braking the speed limit.
By all means target those who do cock about in residential areas making a lot of noise, but the way vehicles are currently tested (at particular revs, for instance) doesn't seem fair unless you can prove people are driving at particular revs in residential areas or anywhere it's deemed antisocial.
Just seems unfair.
My car is relatively loud at idle, but it certainly doesn't break any laws. It means I can and do trundle through town quite quietly - not bothering anybody.
When people are nearby I'm driving under the speed limit and at low revs, so again it's not an issue.
And when I'm on it, foot to the floor, my car is f
king noisy. Considering this only happens 1) on an empty country road, 2) on a track 3) on a slip road - why does there need to be more legislation. Seems a bit like the idea of punishing people because their cars have the potential to brake the speed limit - rather than actually braking the speed limit.
By all means target those who do cock about in residential areas making a lot of noise, but the way vehicles are currently tested (at particular revs, for instance) doesn't seem fair unless you can prove people are driving at particular revs in residential areas or anywhere it's deemed antisocial.
Just seems unfair.
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