RE: SOTW: Peugeot 406 Coupe
Discussion
petrolsniffer said:
Never knew the 2.2 exsisted some pug fan I am! lol
Whats the real world day to day mpg like?
Always wanted one but don't think i'd stomach the thirsty v6 and can't live with owning a diesel!
Cruising MPG isn't that far off the later V6s (the engine code ES9J4S - the one that had been tuned up by Porsche and received VVT as part of their rework), to be honest. Where the 2.2 excels is usable power band - I can pootle around town at 20 MPH in 5th gear and get upwards of 50 MPG because the engine is barely ticking over (about 900 RPM, where it idles at around 800 RPM). And if I put the foot down, it'll still accelerate well.Whats the real world day to day mpg like?
Always wanted one but don't think i'd stomach the thirsty v6 and can't live with owning a diesel!
At 40 MPH in 5th, I still get 45 - 50 MPG. At 60 MPH, I get around 40 MPG, running at around 2800 RPM. At 70 MPH, it's around 35 MPG, running at around 3100 RPM.
On a good long-distance run, the 70 litre fuel tank will give me around 600 miles.
I used to work 7 miles from home and would spend about 40 minutes each way stuck in traffic - I would get about 350 miles to the tank most weeks.
The 2.2 petrol was only ever available with a manual gearbox. The V6s were available either with a manual box, or were fitted with a 4-speed autobox from ZF - the later V6 models used the same model of gearbox as the older V6, but the gearbox ECU was better-programmed and the car just works better as a result. There's a guy on the 406 Coupe Club forums who will be able to explain more about the autoboxes if anyone is interested in an auto.
The ES9J4S V6 has a quoted power output of 210 HP - just 16 HP more than the earlier V6. But this can be unlocked further - when Peugeot introduced the revised engine, they also introduced a second set of catalytic converters into the exhaust system. Yes, the later car has a pair of ECU-monitored pre-cats as well as a set of full catalytic converters, apparently so that it can pass Euro-IV emissions regulations. However, in the UK, we only need to pass Euro-III. So what some V6 owners have taken to doing is removing the unmonitored cats. The car is blissfully unaware, the emissions tests on the MOT still pass with flying colours, and you get a nice cheap power boost. Do this in conjunction with fitting a good stainless steel exhaust and you'll be getting at least 240 HP from your car, with little change to the fuel economy.
I remember seeing a red one of these several years back, de-badged totally, smoothed and with some very nice wheels and a subtle bodykit i presume. Took me a few moments to work out what it actually was, very cleverly done and really showed the Pininfarina (? I think? ) styling off superbly. I like.
I had the 2ltr and then the 3ltr V6. Handling is ok, the equipment level was good and the looks are better than most other cars in that price bracket.
However, French components and Italian built mean they do suffer with reliability issues. My 2ltr set itself on fire due to a window motor fault. The sliding seat mechanism broke. The JBL speakers couldn't handle the power from the JBL amp (upgrading to better JBL speakers and it was a brilliant sound), the window motor also failed in my V6 although it didn't set itself on fire! The fuel economy in the V6 was just dreadful and the Cam belt replacement was a £750 job back in 2002.
I'd still like to get a V6 in Polaris Blue with chestnut leather. I'd put it away in my barn because it will be a desirable classic one day......ok not exactly a valuable one but a classic nonetheless
However, French components and Italian built mean they do suffer with reliability issues. My 2ltr set itself on fire due to a window motor fault. The sliding seat mechanism broke. The JBL speakers couldn't handle the power from the JBL amp (upgrading to better JBL speakers and it was a brilliant sound), the window motor also failed in my V6 although it didn't set itself on fire! The fuel economy in the V6 was just dreadful and the Cam belt replacement was a £750 job back in 2002.
I'd still like to get a V6 in Polaris Blue with chestnut leather. I'd put it away in my barn because it will be a desirable classic one day......ok not exactly a valuable one but a classic nonetheless
Why would it be designed to be RWD?
The 405 predecessor was FWD and the 406 was FWD.
I guess it may have somewhere to route a propellor shaft as PSA did 4WD 405s and Citroen BXs. I can't see it myself.
There was a SOTW one in late 2011:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That one looked a better bet. Isn't that the later 210bhp motor?
There's a pale blue one near me that has some horrid after market front bumper and spoiler on that ruins the good looks.
The 405 predecessor was FWD and the 406 was FWD.
I guess it may have somewhere to route a propellor shaft as PSA did 4WD 405s and Citroen BXs. I can't see it myself.
There was a SOTW one in late 2011:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That one looked a better bet. Isn't that the later 210bhp motor?
There's a pale blue one near me that has some horrid after market front bumper and spoiler on that ruins the good looks.
Edited by carinaman on Saturday 9th March 00:34
had one of the 2L petrol early ones. struck very lucky as a young manager i became entitled to my first company car aged about 25. anyway the only car i was supposed to be able to get was a rover 214....unless one of the senior managers resigned and handed back a car that was my only choice. in the 3-4 days from my letter to ordering a 214 one of these appeared on the reallocation list, and quite awesomely was the yellow one. recall calling the car lady about 3 seconds later and confirming it.
loved it. came to me withh 10k on and I ran it to 90k with the only problem being a blowing exhaust at about 85k, absolutely everything else was perfect.
when it came time to hand it back I checked that infamous list and, initially, thought i'd had a second lucky strike - a Ford Cougar V6 came up so grabbed that......in every way a worse car.
In hindsight, for my age, car history at that point and kudos it remains my favourite car to have owned.
loved it. came to me withh 10k on and I ran it to 90k with the only problem being a blowing exhaust at about 85k, absolutely everything else was perfect.
when it came time to hand it back I checked that infamous list and, initially, thought i'd had a second lucky strike - a Ford Cougar V6 came up so grabbed that......in every way a worse car.
In hindsight, for my age, car history at that point and kudos it remains my favourite car to have owned.
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