What a total ****** ****ing tossing pr*ck
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mOeck said:
Exactly, Its money he "earned" on the backs of others in previous years......
But he may have carried loads of financial risk to get there in the first place.If it is easy and risk free to get to be a Director of a business and driving newish luxury cars then everyone would do it.
Fact is, to get there is not an easy ride (generally). The people who currently are holding a grudge against said Director may not have jobs at all if he hadnt taken risks and started the business.
All he has done is failed in diplomacy IMO
blueg33 said:
But he may have carried loads of financial risk to get there in the first place.
If it is easy and risk free to get to be a Director of a business and driving newish luxury cars then everyone would do it.
Fact is, to get there is not an easy ride (generally). The people who currently are holding a grudge against said Director may not have jobs at all if he hadnt taken risks and started the business.
All he has done is failed in diplomacy IMO
I wouldn't say it's a grudge but just poor respect for others If it is easy and risk free to get to be a Director of a business and driving newish luxury cars then everyone would do it.
Fact is, to get there is not an easy ride (generally). The people who currently are holding a grudge against said Director may not have jobs at all if he hadnt taken risks and started the business.
All he has done is failed in diplomacy IMO
02verco said:
blueg33 said:
But he may have carried loads of financial risk to get there in the first place.
If it is easy and risk free to get to be a Director of a business and driving newish luxury cars then everyone would do it.
Fact is, to get there is not an easy ride (generally). The people who currently are holding a grudge against said Director may not have jobs at all if he hadnt taken risks and started the business.
All he has done is failed in diplomacy IMO
I wouldn't say it's a grudge but just poor respect for others If it is easy and risk free to get to be a Director of a business and driving newish luxury cars then everyone would do it.
Fact is, to get there is not an easy ride (generally). The people who currently are holding a grudge against said Director may not have jobs at all if he hadnt taken risks and started the business.
All he has done is failed in diplomacy IMO
Will they say thanks for the hundreds/thousands of man-years of steady employment?
Or will they lament their own 'troubles' and slope off and get another job?
02verco said:
Okay so a bit of background.
Company was started up about 7 years ago, there was a gap in the market in a town, a company that was about 100 miles away thought it would be a good place to set up another company doing the same as he was, offered a friend of his the money and all the information he had to start up same company. Guy welcomed this idea with open arms and started up company in town, he then employed most of the staff from another company that was doing well with the promise of pay rise better conditions etc, MD and the guy who put the money up have an equal share of the company, then the new company using documents from the company he employed people from used them to tender for a large contract with the government. The MD at this point would only go into the office if he had a falling out with his wife to sleep in the office or to blow of his steam, the manger is in charge of everything, he has lots of contacts and is very very good at his job, and grows the company for the MD.
So, to summarise, man spots gap in market at the right time.Company was started up about 7 years ago, there was a gap in the market in a town, a company that was about 100 miles away thought it would be a good place to set up another company doing the same as he was, offered a friend of his the money and all the information he had to start up same company. Guy welcomed this idea with open arms and started up company in town, he then employed most of the staff from another company that was doing well with the promise of pay rise better conditions etc, MD and the guy who put the money up have an equal share of the company, then the new company using documents from the company he employed people from used them to tender for a large contract with the government. The MD at this point would only go into the office if he had a falling out with his wife to sleep in the office or to blow of his steam, the manger is in charge of everything, he has lots of contacts and is very very good at his job, and grows the company for the MD.
Gets someone in to run it for him quite successfully, whilst he puts his feet up.
Remind me which part of him again you think is stupid?
The only fool here is the manager running the business without a stake in it (if that's the case) instead of starting up himself.
You seem to have a quite simplistic idea of what starting and running a business entails.
02verco said:
Yes I agree with fair play to him and its his company and money. etc but you don't go buying a car like that bring it into work and then brag and tell all the staff to cum and have a look, being quite and not rubbing it in people's face would be nice! God I have nice cars and spend my money on nice things but I then don't go and rub it in someone's face!
Just glad I do not work there!!!!
You say you work in management? This is completely off topic but if my manager spelt like that I would be concerned. Just glad I do not work there!!!!
Back to the original point, my boss has a more expensive car than I do, he drives it to work everyday and has no need to rub my nose in it. Furthermore unless your "friend" is actually you I don't get why you're getting so worked up.
Your "friend's" boss is actually doing the reasonable thing, trying to keep as many people as possible in employment. I really don't see your issue, these things happen. If you and your friend aren't happy with it then tell your "friend" to find employment elsewhere or set up on his own and avoid his superiors having more expensive things. f
king hell, what a little bh.Isn't this the way all businesses operate these days? The managers/high end staff get massive pay packets, bonuses, pensions, etc, that are way above any premium or value their 'talent' and skills actually bring to the company.
Those at the bottom get st conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn.
And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
Those at the bottom get s
t conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn. And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
Countdown said:
Reminds me of an old joke;
Boss shows one of his staff his brand new 458/SLS/Avantador. Staff member looks on in admiration/envy. Boss says to staff member "and remember, if you work really really hard, show commitment & put all the hours in then this time next year, I'll have another brand new car"
Many a true word spoken in jest
I used to work for a company where if you did well in a year, you could quite easily wake up to find a 911 or a Ferrari on your drive.Boss shows one of his staff his brand new 458/SLS/Avantador. Staff member looks on in admiration/envy. Boss says to staff member "and remember, if you work really really hard, show commitment & put all the hours in then this time next year, I'll have another brand new car"
Many a true word spoken in jest
We had one excellent year and the company car park was full of great cars. Sadly the owner and founder of the company died in a flying accident.
Edited by blueg33 on Monday 22 July 16:49
VolvoT5 said:
Isn't this the way all businesses operate these days? The managers/high end staff get massive pay packets, bonuses, pensions, etc, that are way above any premium or value their 'talent' and skills actually bring to the company.
Those at the bottom get st conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn.
And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
Bit of a generalisation is it not? Yes there are probably a few who enjoy a wage well beyond what they deserve and equally there are those who work for less than they deserve. But to assume all businesses operate in this manner is rather ignorant.Those at the bottom get s
t conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn. And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
I think for most companies, cutting costs via staff/wages is a last resort of sorts. There are plenty of other ways to trim the fat without causing resent from those who are lining your pocket, no?
SpeckledJim said:
If only there were an alternative to working for someone else and having a guaranteed return for every single hour you were at work, no matter how little you did in that hour.
It's really tough being paid to poo. Poor, poor employees.
I'll ask this again.It's really tough being paid to poo. Poor, poor employees.
Do you think it shows good managerial nous to turn up in what people perceive to be a very flash car on the day that you are making cutbacks?
Because if you do, then either a. you're purposefully being a provocative internet hard man, b. you do not have a clue how business works or c. you genuinely think employees to be lesser people.
Muzzer79 said:
So, to summarise, man spots gap in market at the right time.
Gets someone in to run it for him quite successfully, whilst he puts his feet up.
Remind me which part of him again you think is stupid?
The only fool here is the manager running the business without a stake in it (if that's the case) instead of starting up himself.
You seem to have a quite simplistic idea of what starting and running a business entails.
There is a lot more to starting and running a company but this guy has had it easy in most terms! Gets someone in to run it for him quite successfully, whilst he puts his feet up.
Remind me which part of him again you think is stupid?
The only fool here is the manager running the business without a stake in it (if that's the case) instead of starting up himself.
You seem to have a quite simplistic idea of what starting and running a business entails.
VolvoT5 said:
Isn't this the way all businesses operate these days? The managers/high end staff get massive pay packets, bonuses, pensions, etc, that are way above any premium or value their 'talent' and skills actually bring to the company.
Those at the bottom get st conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn.
And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
Simple question.Those at the bottom get s
t conditions, poor wages, no benefits and hours cut or sacked at the first sign of any downturn. And to top it off these guys show a total lack of management skill, awareness or compassion by turning up to sack people in cars that cost more than some peoples houses.
Since these managers are all useless, and add no value whatsoever, why don't you go and do that job somewhere else for say, 1/2 way between your current pay and theirs?
You'd add more value, and earn more - win win all round.
However, i suspect that you won't, because there is a vast difference between what these 'high end staff' do, and what you think they do. You presumably lack either the ability or drive to do so. I suspect it is the drive factor, otherwise you'd be out improving your lot, not sitting there with green eyes casting aspersions against others based solely on their choice of car.
Some people make starting and running a company look easy, but as an employee you have no way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes especially in terms of equity, risk, security etc. How do you know that the employer hasnt cashed in his pensions to keep paying his staff or sold one of his assets etc.
02verco said:
There is a lot more to starting and running a company but this guy has had it easy in most terms!
Stop digging. You looked like a jealous little whinge from the start, you look like a bitter, resentful, spiteful, nasty piece of work now, detrimental to the running of your employer's business with your apparent incitement of unrest amongst your colleagues. It isn't inconceivable that your boss is a member of Pistonheads, his car history suggests he's a bit of a petrolhead. I hope he's reading this, I hope he recognises himself, I hope he works out who you are.
Papa Hotel said:
Stop digging. You looked like a jealous little whinge from the start, you look like a bitter, resentful, spiteful, nasty piece of work now, detrimental to the running of your employer's business with your apparent incitement of unrest amongst your colleagues.
It isn't inconceivable that your boss is a member of Pistonheads, his car history suggests he's a bit of a petrolhead. I hope he's reading this, I hope he recognises himself, I hope he works out who you are.
I tried to make my post slightly reserved as I didn't want OP's tears on my hands, but this more or less conveys what I wanted to say. Thank you very much.It isn't inconceivable that your boss is a member of Pistonheads, his car history suggests he's a bit of a petrolhead. I hope he's reading this, I hope he recognises himself, I hope he works out who you are.
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