Cars that are quicker than they look
Discussion
Contigo said:
I'm not getting into a debate wiht people on here as to what constitutes a sleeper.... f
king tedious.
you already did!! I don't think a BMW with massive wheels and 4 tailpipes would be considered a sleeper. It's "the ultimate driving machine" which somewhat explains what people would expect from them...king tedious.300bhp/ton said:
Limpet said:
Jaguar XJR V8. To this day, one of the fastest accelerating cars I have ever experienced, but you wouldn't give it a second glance.
Sorry but you'd have to be pretty dumb to think an expensive luxury Jag isn't going to be at least a bit speedy.Shame mine spent most of its time being fixed.
deltashad said:
Is it really a Q-car even? It has a badge saying M5, four big exhausts, sports suspension, fat tyres, side grilles, sports bodykit.
Sorry, if I saw that, even if I wasn't a petrol head, the last thing going through my mind would be 'this is an average car'.
Exactly.Sorry, if I saw that, even if I wasn't a petrol head, the last thing going through my mind would be 'this is an average car'.
If you asked on petrol head or even non petrol head people at random:
"Are BMW's slow cars?"
Does anyone seriously think they'd get a lot more Yes's vs No's?
Too many cars are known by nearly everyone to be fast but it's just a matter of exactly how fast!
Everyone knows that old Jags have BIG engines so must be fast, if it's a 3.2 litre then it might not be rocket ship fast but if you tell anyone these days your car is over 3L and not a diesel it's assumed to be fast.
Likewise 330D/535D/M5s everyone assumes a BMW is going to be fast.
The OP's suggestion of a 205 XS is a good one, as was the Subaru Legacy, in similar vain the VW Polo GT is 75hp propelling <850Kgs with a really close ratio gearbox is a great little buzz.
Citroen BX MI-16 is another classic which goes far quicker than most people would want to go in one!!
Everyone knows that old Jags have BIG engines so must be fast, if it's a 3.2 litre then it might not be rocket ship fast but if you tell anyone these days your car is over 3L and not a diesel it's assumed to be fast.
Likewise 330D/535D/M5s everyone assumes a BMW is going to be fast.
The OP's suggestion of a 205 XS is a good one, as was the Subaru Legacy, in similar vain the VW Polo GT is 75hp propelling <850Kgs with a really close ratio gearbox is a great little buzz.
Citroen BX MI-16 is another classic which goes far quicker than most people would want to go in one!!
Big Rod said:
I disagree. Having owned one they are brutally fast where Jags prior to the X308 in general I think are considered to be driven by giffers for wafting.
Shame mine spent most of its time being fixed.
But you are referring to a judgement call you are making on your expectation of the owner, not the vehicle itself or it's abilities.Shame mine spent most of its time being fixed.
While a 3.6 auto XJ40 is no fire cracker in today's market, it is still faster than most normal mass market cars and would make mince meat of a 2.0 Focus in a straight line.
300bhp/ton said:
But you are referring to a judgement call you are making on your expectation of the owner, not the vehicle itself or it's abilities.
While a 3.6 auto XJ40 is no fire cracker in today's market, it is still faster than most normal mass market cars and would make mince meat of a 2.0 Focus in a straight line.
I'm not so sure but c'est la vie.While a 3.6 auto XJ40 is no fire cracker in today's market, it is still faster than most normal mass market cars and would make mince meat of a 2.0 Focus in a straight line.
300bhp/ton said:
Contigo said:
I'm not getting into a debate wiht people on here as to what constitutes a sleeper.... fking tedious.
It's only tedious because you are wrong king tedious.
Read the sleeper threads and you will see that we have gone over this in detail. Your car is stunning, you are so wrong you deserve a Blackadder style tirade on being the Mayor of wrongville.
Big Rod said:
I'm not so sure but c'est la vie.
Not so sure, what in terms of performance?Seriously a 3.6 auto XJ6 is something like mid low 8's 0-60mph with a crappy 4 speed auto and tall gearing. But they'll top 140mph fairly easily, maybe more.
40mph - 120mph rolling sprint and a 2.0 litre Focus (non RS) wouldn't even manage to stay in your rear view mirror.
Anyone who thinks any large Jag is slow would really deserve the roll eyes. I admit a 2.9 XJ6 was a bit of a slug by comparison, but in it's day faired well with other large cars and mass market non hot hatches.
aka_kerrly said:
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Citroen BX MI-16 is another classic which goes far quicker than most people would want to go in one!!
Is that a mash up of a BX and a 405?!Citroen BX MI-16 is another classic which goes far quicker than most people would want to go in one!!
I can understand people saying the BX is a sleeper, even with the boxy bodykit. I remember a guy at Thorney Island on a drag day saying to me that he couldn't believe mine was running 15.6secs. I said why not, that's the book time!
"But that's faster than an RS Turbo!" he said. Ermm.....yes, it is. Is it really that unbelievable?!
One of the best handling and most stable cars I've had though, so would only assume people who didn't want to drive one fast aren't confident behind the wheel of a car.
Okay I shall attempt to define a sleeper.
An innocuous looking car, often fairly old with a naughty engine (NON standard or VERY tuned) fitted under the bonnet. The car has pretty much NO giveaways to it's performance.
My Dad had two - a Ford Cortina P100 with a 400bhp Rover V8 (lots of work done on it) and a BBR Mitsubishi Shogun with 240bhp.
There are some great examples such as a mk2 Golf CL with a tuned VR6, that Volvo posted a whole ago (740 shape?) with 700bhp and many many others.
A factory made car, even if much quicker than it looks, is NOT a sleeper.
An innocuous looking car, often fairly old with a naughty engine (NON standard or VERY tuned) fitted under the bonnet. The car has pretty much NO giveaways to it's performance.
My Dad had two - a Ford Cortina P100 with a 400bhp Rover V8 (lots of work done on it) and a BBR Mitsubishi Shogun with 240bhp.
There are some great examples such as a mk2 Golf CL with a tuned VR6, that Volvo posted a whole ago (740 shape?) with 700bhp and many many others.
A factory made car, even if much quicker than it looks, is NOT a sleeper.
Edited by Vladimir on Tuesday 19th November 20:24
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