"Full Service History"
Discussion
ILoveMondeo said:
The 911 I got recently has a 24 month service interval (2003 chassis, it's never hit the mileage "limit") yet the previous owner had it done on 12 months like clockwork.
Can only be a good thing for paperwork fetishists!
One of the 911s I went to look at had a book full of stamps and paperwork to back it up. On closer examination it turned out most were Annual Inspections. When I looked into it, it seems Porsche offer Annual Inspections in addition to major & minor services. The Annual Inspection is exactly that - they look at the car. No parts or fluids are replaced. You do get a stamp in the book though, which I suspect is the main attraction for unscrupulous owners looking to scrimp on maintenance but maintain the illusion of full service history.Can only be a good thing for paperwork fetishists!
Risotto said:
One of the 911s I went to look at had a book full of stamps and paperwork to back it up. On closer examination it turned out most were Annual Inspections. When I looked into it, it seems Porsche offer Annual Inspections in addition to major & minor services. The Annual Inspection is exactly that - they look at the car. No parts or fluids are replaced. You do get a stamp in the book though, which I suspect is the main attraction for unscrupulous owners looking to scrimp on maintenance but maintain the illusion of full service history.
That I didnt know! Will be digging out my porsche w
k folder... I mean documentation bundle.. to check! I'm pretty sure it was services though, fingers crossed!
Think part of the issue with the S2000 in particular is you see so many high mileage examples, where they haven't followed the 9,000 mile service interval - How do these cars get to these mileages then??
Seems Honda just took the 12-15,000 for the type R and knocked a few miles off for safety, and to milk the cash. I use mine as a daily driver so that could mean booking a full service every 6-9 months driving - When I can just wait for MOT time and do both together like most owners would?
Seems Honda just took the 12-15,000 for the type R and knocked a few miles off for safety, and to milk the cash. I use mine as a daily driver so that could mean booking a full service every 6-9 months driving - When I can just wait for MOT time and do both together like most owners would?
hora said:
Be honest- those that do their own servicing- do you change coolant every 1-2yrs and brake fluid the same or is the annual service pure consumables like oil, air filter, discs and pads when required?
I do it to the manufacturer spec, but half the oil change interval and do the brake fluid every year. I do a few additional bits like remove, clean & regrease brakes at every service too.I keep all parts receipts and write on there the date & mileage I fitted them. I also print and complete the manufacturer's service sheet and staple that together with the service parts receipts.
hora said:
Cyder said:
I bought a 2007 A3 at the weekend that was advertised with full main dealer service history.
Being ever the sceptic I asked to see the documentation and it was 100% true, every MOT and service has been carried out at the main dealer since it was new. Including a service 3 weeks ago.
Very impressed for a change, although now I feel obliged to keep taking it there to not break the chain.
I've had this on a Subaru that I bought privately from a Police officer. Every service had an itemised invoice which seemed to total £500 every year. Annually it was decoaked as part of the service (wtf?)Being ever the sceptic I asked to see the documentation and it was 100% true, every MOT and service has been carried out at the main dealer since it was new. Including a service 3 weeks ago.
Very impressed for a change, although now I feel obliged to keep taking it there to not break the chain.
I have just bought an E46 330Ci Convertible. Basically a sound car but needed about £1000 spent to make it perfect.
Does it have full history, yes. Most carried out at BMW main dealers or a BMW independant, one at a car supermarket.
However, it still had crap tyres, needs some suspension work, an exhaust centre section, a good double oil change due to the long intervals. It had been serviced every year but given the age and complexity of the car it is probably not much better off for having a "FSH" than a car that had just been fixed when broken and given the oocasional oil change, there's still lots that's worn out on the 10 year old car. For me it needs a full refresh - I have done plugs, filters, gearbox and diff oil, vanos seals, battery needs doing, suspension bushes too, mirror electrics are dodgy and probably needs a new mirror. Bodywork and hood are good otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
In conclusion on an older car I don't think the price premium for a car with a full dealer service history will make much difference to how much will need spending on the car. It's up to the previous owners how much they skimp on looking after the car, and an owner can skimp on repairs but still have a FSH on paper.
On a newer car, I think a slightly neglected car without service history is likely a bargain, as some short term abuse is unlikely to kill it.
Does it have full history, yes. Most carried out at BMW main dealers or a BMW independant, one at a car supermarket.
However, it still had crap tyres, needs some suspension work, an exhaust centre section, a good double oil change due to the long intervals. It had been serviced every year but given the age and complexity of the car it is probably not much better off for having a "FSH" than a car that had just been fixed when broken and given the oocasional oil change, there's still lots that's worn out on the 10 year old car. For me it needs a full refresh - I have done plugs, filters, gearbox and diff oil, vanos seals, battery needs doing, suspension bushes too, mirror electrics are dodgy and probably needs a new mirror. Bodywork and hood are good otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
In conclusion on an older car I don't think the price premium for a car with a full dealer service history will make much difference to how much will need spending on the car. It's up to the previous owners how much they skimp on looking after the car, and an owner can skimp on repairs but still have a FSH on paper.
On a newer car, I think a slightly neglected car without service history is likely a bargain, as some short term abuse is unlikely to kill it.
Nezquick said:
RTaylor2208 said:
I have to agree with this one, a full service history should mean its serviced at the right mileage \ age, most people skip the whatever comes first part thinking that if they only do 3K miles per year and the car is on a 10K PA \ 12 Months service schedule they only service it every 3 and a bit years.
That's exactly my point and it drives me mad.For instance, S2000's need servicing every 9000 miles or 12 months, whichever is sooner. That doesn't mean it needs servicing once every 2 years if you only do 4500 miles a year.[/quote
Yeah I see what you are saying but in real terms it does not necessarily 'need' servicing every 9k - that's maybe what is recommended by Honda and some of that recommendation is based on retaining regular income from servicing and parts sales.
It really depends on the type of life it has lead in those times
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