RE: Range Rover Evoque facelift
Discussion
I'm not bitter, I am probably slightly judgemental 
but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.
I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
Dictionary said:
snob
noun
a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people.
I think your comments sum you up more than anything. noun
a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people.
There are loads of different cars they could buy that would do the same thing you are suggesting, but I would argue they are buying them as they simply like the way the look. Which is fine.
Perhaps it's true that PH members are completely out of step with the motoring public? And maybe this forum doesn't represent them too well?
PH members constantly criticise the Evoque and RR Sport, yet those are JLR's top selling cars. Any car manufacturer would die to have their cachet. They are both awesome in my books and address different market needs.
PH members constantly criticise the Evoque and RR Sport, yet those are JLR's top selling cars. Any car manufacturer would die to have their cachet. They are both awesome in my books and address different market needs.
Steve H said:
I'm not bitter, I am probably slightly judgemental but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.
I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
I'll bite. but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
I bought mine because it has the best interior of anything in its class, I couldn't care less what my neighbours think, I just preferred it to the Audi Q5, BMW X3 and Mercedes GLK. Most of my neighbours seem to disagree anyway as the car park is rammed full of Q3, 5 and 7s or six pot 3 series.
The Evoque engines are no worse than the competition either really, my 2.0T compares well to the Audi equivalent and I prefer it to the BMW one. The diesel isn't the best (that's the BMW) but it's at least as good as the 2.1 Mercedes engine in my experience.
I think some people want to think that cars are chosen to 'keep up with the Joneses' when in reality people just buy what they like. Showing off is about what you spend, not what you buy - someone stretching themselves to spend £750 per month on a flash car isn't going to pick something they don't like to demonstrate some form of one-upmanship, thy will buy the car which they want. The fact lots of people want Land/Range Rovers just shows what a great job JLR are doing.
jamiebae said:
I'm an Evoque owner and was considering replacing it with a Discovery Sport for all the reasons above. However, the interior of the DS is not quite as 'nice'. It feels like the engineers were given a very specific brief to make sure it felt like a bit of a step down to ensure people trading in Evoques for something bigger bought the RRS.
You're not far off the mark. I forget the exact quote but I saw a video of the cars designer, Gerry McGovern who described the Discovery Sport interior as something like "pretty but not precious."It's a fair assessment of how I treat mine. I keep it clean but don't get too upset when the dog jumps all over it.
They have cut a few corners. The leather is not of the same quality as my 2013 Freelander 2. They've skimped on the leather in places too.
It is a good alternative to the Evoque which is just too small for us.
The Ingenium engine is OK, for a diesel. Fuel consumption is not great. I'd have preferred the petrol but the won't sell me one in the UK
Adam Ansel said:
There is precedence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_ADO17
And even from the same platform:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Freelan...
OK, so the SI6 L359 was dropped fairly quickly from the UK market, but it was successful in export markets until it was replaced with the 2.0 Ecoboost.
jamiebae said:
Steve H said:
I'm not bitter, I am probably slightly judgemental but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.
I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
I'll bite. but I own a Westfield not a Caterham so I'm definitely not a snob.I'm suggesting that they aren't buying because they like the design, they are paying a premium because they like the image rather than the product, that's why LR get away with putting average engines in them (which goes back to the comment I was answering in my post).
I bought mine because it has the best interior of anything in its class, I couldn't care less what my neighbours think, I just preferred it to the Audi Q5, BMW X3 and Mercedes GLK. Most of my neighbours seem to disagree anyway as the car park is rammed full of Q3, 5 and 7s or six pot 3 series.
The Evoque engines are no worse than the competition either really, my 2.0T compares well to the Audi equivalent and I prefer it to the BMW one. The diesel isn't the best (that's the BMW) but it's at least as good as the 2.1 Mercedes engine in my experience.
I think some people want to think that cars are chosen to 'keep up with the Joneses' when in reality people just buy what they like. Showing off is about what you spend, not what you buy - someone stretching themselves to spend £750 per month on a flash car isn't going to pick something they don't like to demonstrate some form of one-upmanship, thy will buy the car which they want. The fact lots of people want Land/Range Rovers just shows what a great job JLR are doing.
I don't think the Audi interior is in a different league, I thought the Q5 felt very dated when I tried one and that was Dec 2013, and out of all the cars I tried including Disco, Freelander 2, Evoque, X3, X5, XC60, ML the Q5 was right at the bottom of the pile for the way it felt on the road too. It felt like a jacked up avant rather than an SUV, it was trying to hard to feel 'car like' and that is not what I wanted.
I actually really liked the FL2, but with the Disco Sport coming it would have been a silly buy.
I much prefer the DS interior to the Q5, and it feels like an SUV...
I would imagine many buyers get into this cabin and the car is sold to them, they don't need to drive it, for a lot of buyers sitting in this for the next couple of years would be more than pleasant.....
I actually really liked the FL2, but with the Disco Sport coming it would have been a silly buy.
I much prefer the DS interior to the Q5, and it feels like an SUV...
I would imagine many buyers get into this cabin and the car is sold to them, they don't need to drive it, for a lot of buyers sitting in this for the next couple of years would be more than pleasant.....
All too often I keep hearing how Audi interiors are the business. Just not true based on my experience. I found the A5 S Line ordinary in my search for a junior/exec car. Much preferred the 3/4 series interior especially the steering wheel, layout and feel. The Audi Interior was perfectly good but "in another league" is spouted so often on here and it's just not true by any stretch.
ash73 said:
BJWoods said:
the Evoque has probably lost a few sales to the Discovery Sport.. Much roomier, and a couple of extra fold down seat, and just as pretty.
Agree with this, I like the Evoque but much prefer the DS.unpc said:
gizlaroc said:
Burwood said:
yes, but the new one is due in a few months and looks very smart, much more advances tech and an option for a 2L TDI which produces 240hp. A worthy competitor I think.
It's certainly an improvement and I like the virtual cockpit but the flat bottomed wheel in an SUV or any road car for that matter? 
The interior space is great.
I did a 200 mile trip in mine sitting in the back. Seats slid back and reclined a bit and it was by far the most comfortable car I've been in the back of for as long as I can remember.
The Evoque was just too small for us. We got the FL2 which wasn't quite big enough which was its only drawback and a reason why we got the DS. The DS boot space is just right and as there are only two of us - plus a dog - it's great to slide the back seats forward when you need just a bit more load space.
The third row seats are really for kids. I managed to get in to try them but it wasn't easy. That said they have cup holders and I think air vents plus you can spec USB points to plug kids devices in.
The DS is great off road. Not the ultimate 4x4 but far more capable than most owners will need.
The free Land Rover Experience half day was great fun but also gave me a sense of its capabilities which came in handy weeks later on a flooded country road.
For me, it's great having a car that's at home on a muddy field at a country show but that can also put in the motorway miles. Nice also to have a car that you can take anywhere from the dump to a polo match (Nit that I have ever been to one but you know what I mean.)
It's a nice brand with a great I international image. My American relatives especially love it.
I did a 200 mile trip in mine sitting in the back. Seats slid back and reclined a bit and it was by far the most comfortable car I've been in the back of for as long as I can remember.
The Evoque was just too small for us. We got the FL2 which wasn't quite big enough which was its only drawback and a reason why we got the DS. The DS boot space is just right and as there are only two of us - plus a dog - it's great to slide the back seats forward when you need just a bit more load space.
The third row seats are really for kids. I managed to get in to try them but it wasn't easy. That said they have cup holders and I think air vents plus you can spec USB points to plug kids devices in.
The DS is great off road. Not the ultimate 4x4 but far more capable than most owners will need.
The free Land Rover Experience half day was great fun but also gave me a sense of its capabilities which came in handy weeks later on a flooded country road.
For me, it's great having a car that's at home on a muddy field at a country show but that can also put in the motorway miles. Nice also to have a car that you can take anywhere from the dump to a polo match (Nit that I have ever been to one but you know what I mean.)
It's a nice brand with a great I international image. My American relatives especially love it.
Sheepshanks said:
Did they ever get back to you on that? I'd have no problem leasing but I'd be very nervous buying a diesel now.
Even the dealer was surprised. He was happy to supply one if they'd have relented. Daft as most probably there were petrol versions of my car sitting on the same production line. Apart from being very polite, JLR just said "No". The woman thought it might be type approval but as far as I understand they will supply RHD petrol versions to the RoI and Cyprus. They'd have EU type approval.
Her suggestion. Buy one in Ireland. That would have been a ball ache. I doubt a Dublin dealer would give finance to me, a foreigner straight off the boat from Blighty with no Irish address, financial history etc.
A silly bit of mis-marketing. Especially as they like to push the bespoke aspects of other models. I understand they would not sell many in the UK, but they are all built to order anyway. Really daft Thait I could spec the car down to the colour of the wheel centres and badges but not spec an engine they actually fit in the car. My DS is now six months old with less than 4K on the clock. Assuming my MG doesn't go wrong, it won't get much use over the summer. I doubt it'll see 8,000 miles this year. I don't need a diesel.
wildcat45 said:
I doubt a Dublin dealer would give finance to me,
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I doubt it'll see 8,000 miles this year. I don't need a diesel.
If you're buying on a PCP and intend to hand it back or p/x at 3yrs then it doesn't matter - diesel auto suits SUVs.....
I doubt it'll see 8,000 miles this year. I don't need a diesel.
Missus has a diesel Tiguan DSG which I bought new 6 mths ago as the residuals (even looking at WBAC pricing) looked amazing but they've taken a big hit now and Goodness knows where they'll be in a couple of years time.
Discovery Sport is interesting as the 7 seat capability would be useful now and again but no way am I going to risk £40Kish on a diesel engine one.
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