RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R
Discussion
One thing no one has really picked up on is the fact that the much cheaper hatches in the league below will be just as fast as these with a basic chip or map whereas these (well maybe not the focus) will probably be overwhelmed with any more power.
I guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
I guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
vz-r_dave said:
It makes sense to me, the author clearly cares about the driving experience over a 0-60 time (clearly not needing to brag about it either). If there is one thing Honda are good at it's driving experience, chassis dynamics, slick gear boxes, (engines.....even in the Turbo field this one seems to be the most lively) etc.
This point doesn't surprise me at all, I do agree the RS might be more playful due to its RWD bias but that doesn't make it a more focused.... machine. It may also be a quicker car also but that's not what the author was trying to convey.
So only the PH review is reliable and ALL others are wrong?? This point doesn't surprise me at all, I do agree the RS might be more playful due to its RWD bias but that doesn't make it a more focused.... machine. It may also be a quicker car also but that's not what the author was trying to convey.
And you are calling everyone else the fanboy rather than yourself and this 1 review? Riiight....
JoeMarano said:
One thing no one has really picked up on is the fact that the much cheaper hatches in the league below will be just as fast as these with a basic chip or map whereas these (well maybe not the focus) will probably be overwhelmed with any more power.
I guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
A used motorbike will also be just as fast. But that's missing the point entirely as well.I guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
As someone who went from owning Evos (Evo IV, Evo IX FQ-340) to a Seat Leon Cupra 290, I was interested to see how the AWD RS would do when road-tested against the big-power FWD hatches. There are pros and cons between them which I suspect doesn't make the RS the clear leader that may have been initially expected. Which is no bad thing, a range of quality options for fast and reasonably practical cars is a wonderful thing!
Civic just looks wrong from all angles, and the type R bodykit is simply attempting to polish a turd!!
No matter how good it is to drive, the fat MPV proportions mean I could never own one of these.
Focus RS looks better from all angles, but somehow looks a little apologetic. I saw a grey one at weekend (my first on the road) and it looks very underwhelming, so much so I nearly did not recognize it as an RS, until I got closer.
No matter how good it is to drive, the fat MPV proportions mean I could never own one of these.
Focus RS looks better from all angles, but somehow looks a little apologetic. I saw a grey one at weekend (my first on the road) and it looks very underwhelming, so much so I nearly did not recognize it as an RS, until I got closer.
rb5er said:
vz-r_dave said:
It makes sense to me, the author clearly cares about the driving experience over a 0-60 time (clearly not needing to brag about it either). If there is one thing Honda are good at it's driving experience, chassis dynamics, slick gear boxes, (engines.....even in the Turbo field this one seems to be the most lively) etc.
This point doesn't surprise me at all, I do agree the RS might be more playful due to its RWD bias but that doesn't make it a more focused.... machine. It may also be a quicker car also but that's not what the author was trying to convey.
So only the PH review is reliable and ALL others are wrong?? This point doesn't surprise me at all, I do agree the RS might be more playful due to its RWD bias but that doesn't make it a more focused.... machine. It may also be a quicker car also but that's not what the author was trying to convey.
And you are calling everyone else the fanboy rather than yourself and this 1 review? Riiight....
Never said it was the only reliable review, I said the outcome of the review does not surprise me and I gave my reasoning. Not some BS winter weather scenario and certainly did not bring in 0-60 times or winter tyres in to the discussion.
If the RS is a better track car fine but leave out the bull shi.... please
I wouldn't own either car for good reason
"Because 30k"
The type of person that wants one of these still has spots on their face more than likely.
The type of person that can afford one of these has just been left his parents inheritance or his kids have just moved out.
That or he's been selling his soul for a living.
"Because 30k"
The type of person that wants one of these still has spots on their face more than likely.
The type of person that can afford one of these has just been left his parents inheritance or his kids have just moved out.
That or he's been selling his soul for a living.
JoeMarano said:
One thing no one has really picked up on is the fact that the much cheaper hatches in the league below will be just as fast as these with a basic chip or map whereas these (well maybe not the focus) will probably be overwhelmed with any more power.
I guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
TDI North have been fettling their Civic with good results - of course things like the brakes and LSD etc can be upgraded along with the power to help keep things under controlI guess if it's power chasing you are after the Golf and Focus are going to be the winners.
JoeMarano said:
I wouldn't own either car for good reason
"Because 30k"
The type of person that wants one of these still has spots on their face more than likely.
The type of person that can afford one of these has just been left his parents inheritance or his kids have just moved out.
That or he's been selling his soul for a living.
I don't have any spots, I haven't had an inheritance, no kids yet (aged 28) and I don't sell my soul for a living - 45 hours a week, tops."Because 30k"
The type of person that wants one of these still has spots on their face more than likely.
The type of person that can afford one of these has just been left his parents inheritance or his kids have just moved out.
That or he's been selling his soul for a living.
Respectfully, you are full of it
Edited by Axionknight on Monday 23 May 08:57
What are the tuning options for the Honda like? One of the big benefits of the Ford for me is the existence of warranty-friendly upgrades in the form of Mountune. I reckon with £3k or so spent on the MP upgrade (380bhp?) and the front Quaife LSD it'd transform the car into something quite substantially improved.
I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
David87 said:
What are the tuning options for the Honda like? One of the big benefits of the Ford for me is the existence of warranty-friendly upgrades in the form of Mountune. I reckon with £3k or so spent on the MP upgrade (380bhp?) and the front Quaife LSD it'd transform the car into something quite substantially improved.
I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
TDI North are working on them at the moment, they would be my Honda tuner of choice as they have a great reputation and they claim that they've cracked the ECU and are working on development codes for remaps ETC. Not warranty friendly, of course.I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
Axionknight said:
I don't have any spots, I haven't had an inheritance, no kids yet (aged 28) and I don't sell my soul for a living - 45 hours a week, tops.
Respectfully, you are full of it
I think the answer is you are 28 and have no kids lolRespectfully, you are full of it
Edited by Axionknight on Monday 23 May 08:57
Axionknight said:
TDI North are working on them at the moment, they would be my Honda tuner of choice as they have a great reputation and they claim that they've cracked the ECU and are working on development codes for remaps ETC. Not warranty friendly, of course.
That's cool, thanks for that. Will keep and eye out for what they come up with then. 
David87 said:
What are the tuning options for the Honda like? One of the big benefits of the Ford for me is the existence of warranty-friendly upgrades in the form of Mountune. I reckon with £3k or so spent on the MP upgrade (380bhp?) and the front Quaife LSD it'd transform the car into something quite substantially improved.
I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
You sir sounds like you need to try a sey of Rainsport 3 tyres!I'm sure the Honda really is great and I must have a go of one but, having owned a few powerful FWD cars, I'm done with them. In the dry they're fine, but in the wet they're just rubbish and, let's face it, it's wet a lot. That's why I've ordered a Focus RS.
JoeMarano said:
Axionknight said:
I don't have any spots, I haven't had an inheritance, no kids yet (aged 28) and I don't sell my soul for a living - 45 hours a week, tops.
Respectfully, you are full of it
I think the answer is you are 28 and have no kids lolRespectfully, you are full of it
Edited by Axionknight on Monday 23 May 08:57
Doubt the kid would like the way I drive, though
I meant financially (I'm sure the PH snobs will turn up to tell us all that the average wage is 200k a year)
I don't think most "normal" working people with "normal" jobs with kids could afford a 30k car and I can't imagine a lot of the type of people that want these sorts of cars (I'm going to assume young lads) can either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's a fair comment. I actually think they are quite good value for what they are but value is all relative to how much you actually make imo
I don't think most "normal" working people with "normal" jobs with kids could afford a 30k car and I can't imagine a lot of the type of people that want these sorts of cars (I'm going to assume young lads) can either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's a fair comment. I actually think they are quite good value for what they are but value is all relative to how much you actually make imo
It's 2016 man, look at the monthly cost and not the headline figure. "Only x a month"!
The initial deposit might be a bit eye watering for a few folk on Hondas deal though, I agree. I just chipped my Clio in against it (was worth more than the deposit), which sorta hurt a bit all things considered, ah well.
Several other owners on here who have outed themselves appear to be respectable folks of a slightly older persuasion (no offence to them, of course), so whilst plenty of broke yoofs (been there, done that) might lust after one it seems that there certainly are people out there with the means to buy them regardless of their age.
The initial deposit might be a bit eye watering for a few folk on Hondas deal though, I agree. I just chipped my Clio in against it (was worth more than the deposit), which sorta hurt a bit all things considered, ah well.
Several other owners on here who have outed themselves appear to be respectable folks of a slightly older persuasion (no offence to them, of course), so whilst plenty of broke yoofs (been there, done that) might lust after one it seems that there certainly are people out there with the means to buy them regardless of their age.
Edited by Axionknight on Monday 23 May 09:15
I'm not sure what changed since the concept but I absolutely loved that at the time but sure I echo the anti Halford comments as it doesn't look quite right to me either...
I did go out in a 435bhp EP3 the other day.....
https://youtu.be/7cMwg2b4uVk
I did go out in a 435bhp EP3 the other day.....
https://youtu.be/7cMwg2b4uVk
JoeMarano said:
I meant financially (I'm sure the PH snobs will turn up to tell us all that the average wage is 200k a year)
I don't think most "normal" working people with "normal" jobs with kids could afford a 30k car and I can't imagine a lot of the type of people that want these sorts of cars (I'm going to assume young lads) can either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's a fair comment. I actually think they are quite good value for what they are but value is all relative to how much you actually make imo
How many will Ford sell in the UK? Even if its several thousand, that's quite a tiny % of UK car owners. They are not trying to sell to every family in the nation, and there's enough people willing and able to get one. Hardly anyone you know will own one. Ford knows this, and also knows that those which aspire to own an RS but can't might end up with another Ford product in the meantime.I don't think most "normal" working people with "normal" jobs with kids could afford a 30k car and I can't imagine a lot of the type of people that want these sorts of cars (I'm going to assume young lads) can either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's a fair comment. I actually think they are quite good value for what they are but value is all relative to how much you actually make imo
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