RE: Huracan Performante clocks 6min 52sec 'ring lap
Discussion
jcl said:
For this Hurracan to compete with something like that it must literally be a compromised racing car.
FFS.A few points...
As soon the pace of the car became evident and it was rumoured to be challenging for the fastest lap, the whole effort has been very heavily scutinised.
Lamborghini were filmed the whole time they were there lapping. See the numerous YouTube videos of the black and white camoflagued cars. No other cars were seen. Just those ones. Not once was a car with GT3 aero filmed. NOT ONCE. Lamborghini had no GT3 or even Blancpain cars in attendance with which to confuse people. No-one who was there while Lamborghini were there has even suggested they were running full aero cars. No rival manufacturers, no spy shot cameramen, no journalists, no YouTubers, no fellow track day attendees no 'ring staff. NO-ONE. Except idiots on the internet. There was simply too much attention on Lamborghini for it to be possible.
I saw someone comment that because the car in record lap has a cage it's obviously a race car. That's the level of knowledge some people are bringing to the table in this debate!
The car is normally aspirated. It runs about 50bhp more than the standard car. The engine may have been optimised further, I don't know. But any extra gains would be insignificant compared to the large gains forced induction cars from other manufacturers can achieve. Hundreds of extra horsepower in some cases if rumours are to be believed.
The car will be running serious rubber. That's a given but it's rubber that is freely available to everyone else on their record attempts too, so there's no trickery or advantage there. As for the suggestion of slicks, see my above comments about the aero. Lamborghini would have had to have an artic lorry full of slicks and associated paraphernalia such as heating blankets etc to run the cars for the time they were there. NO-ONE saw or even claimed that Lamborghini had slicks with them or ever ran with slicks. Not a soul.
After the VAG 'dieselgate' fiasco and lies, if journalists could catch a VAG company once again deceiving people, journalists would be all over it. Not just motoring journalists either, the main stream would be too. But there's been no suggestion of anything improper at all.
In the grand scheme of things it's all irrelevant anyway, but that's my take on it.
PurpleAki said:
FFS.
A few points...
As soon the pace of the car became evident and it was rumoured to be challenging for the fastest lap, the whole effort has been very heavily scutinised.
Lamborghini were filmed the whole time they were there lapping. See the numerous YouTube videos of the black and white camoflagued cars. No other cars were seen. Just those ones. Not once was a car with GT3 aero filmed. NOT ONCE. Lamborghini had no GT3 or even Blancpain cars in attendance with which to confuse people. No-one who was there while Lamborghini were there has even suggested they were running full aero cars. No rival manufacturers, no spy shot cameramen, no journalists, no YouTubers, no fellow track day attendees no 'ring staff. NO-ONE. Except idiots on the internet. There was simply too much attention on Lamborghini for it to be possible.
I saw someone comment that because the car in record lap has a cage it's obviously a race car. That's the level of knowledge some people are bringing to the table in this debate!
The car is normally aspirated. It runs about 50bhp more than the standard car. The engine may have been optimised further, I don't know. But any extra gains would be insignificant compared to the large gains forced induction cars from other manufacturers can achieve. Hundreds of extra horsepower in some cases if rumours are to be believed.
The car will be running serious rubber. That's a given but it's rubber that is freely available to everyone else on their record attempts too, so there's no trickery or advantage there. As for the suggestion of slicks, see my above comments about the aero. Lamborghini would have had to have an artic lorry full of slicks and associated paraphernalia such as heating blankets etc to run the cars for the time they were there. NO-ONE saw or even claimed that Lamborghini had slicks with them or ever ran with slicks. Not a soul.
After the VAG 'dieselgate' fiasco and lies, if journalists could catch a VAG company once again deceiving people, journalists would be all over it. Not just motoring journalists either, the main stream would be too. But there's been no suggestion of anything improper at all.
In the grand scheme of things it's all irrelevant anyway, but that's my take on it.
Well we can argue to our hearts content, however imo it'll be exposed soon enough once people take it on the track and find it is no where near as capable or competent as this "lap time" suggests.A few points...
As soon the pace of the car became evident and it was rumoured to be challenging for the fastest lap, the whole effort has been very heavily scutinised.
Lamborghini were filmed the whole time they were there lapping. See the numerous YouTube videos of the black and white camoflagued cars. No other cars were seen. Just those ones. Not once was a car with GT3 aero filmed. NOT ONCE. Lamborghini had no GT3 or even Blancpain cars in attendance with which to confuse people. No-one who was there while Lamborghini were there has even suggested they were running full aero cars. No rival manufacturers, no spy shot cameramen, no journalists, no YouTubers, no fellow track day attendees no 'ring staff. NO-ONE. Except idiots on the internet. There was simply too much attention on Lamborghini for it to be possible.
I saw someone comment that because the car in record lap has a cage it's obviously a race car. That's the level of knowledge some people are bringing to the table in this debate!
The car is normally aspirated. It runs about 50bhp more than the standard car. The engine may have been optimised further, I don't know. But any extra gains would be insignificant compared to the large gains forced induction cars from other manufacturers can achieve. Hundreds of extra horsepower in some cases if rumours are to be believed.
The car will be running serious rubber. That's a given but it's rubber that is freely available to everyone else on their record attempts too, so there's no trickery or advantage there. As for the suggestion of slicks, see my above comments about the aero. Lamborghini would have had to have an artic lorry full of slicks and associated paraphernalia such as heating blankets etc to run the cars for the time they were there. NO-ONE saw or even claimed that Lamborghini had slicks with them or ever ran with slicks. Not a soul.
After the VAG 'dieselgate' fiasco and lies, if journalists could catch a VAG company once again deceiving people, journalists would be all over it. Not just motoring journalists either, the main stream would be too. But there's been no suggestion of anything improper at all.
In the grand scheme of things it's all irrelevant anyway, but that's my take on it.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
stradman said:
imo it'll be exposed soon enough once people take it on the track and find it is no where near as capable or competent as this "lap time" suggests.
On what grounds ? Just curious.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
On what grounds ? Just curious.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/blog-did-lambo-fake-...LaurasOtherHalf said:
Just watched the lap-incredible pace. I reckon they've tailored the gear ratios for the lap-it's incredibly short geared with 7th looking to be an overdrive.
Agreed. Didn't watch the whole video but seemed to top out around 165 mph. Edited by ChocolateFrog on Friday 3rd March 11:58
isaldiri said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
On what grounds ? Just curious.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/blog-did-lambo-fake-...ChocolateFrog said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Just watched the lap-incredible pace. I reckon they've tailored the gear ratios for the lap-it's incredibly short geared with 7th looking to be an overdrive.
Agreed. Didn't watch the whole video but seemed to top out around 165 mph. Edited by ChocolateFrog on Friday 3rd March 11:58
Greg_D said:
it's a reasonable (unscientific) observation, but surely point 'a' to point 'a' time elapsed is the only thing that matters!!!
Not if the video frame rate is sped up as speculated by Dale at BtG.If you're OCD enough, here's a side by side comparison of the 3 laps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0myjPFlGY
The minimum corner speeds of the SV and 918 are at or above the Performante in almost every corner and the 2 cars are much faster on any long straights (which there are quite a few) and yet the Performante is supposed to have clocked a faster lap than either....
Lol.
Loads of YouTube conspiracy videos out there. The Moon landings were filmed in Nevada, and 9/11 was a false-flag op run by the Israelis
The Huracan delivered a very smooth, clean lap -- perhaps the best of all time -- with the active-aero glueing it round the corners. No fighting the steering wheel, like the other cars with less corner-grip
Loads of YouTube conspiracy videos out there. The Moon landings were filmed in Nevada, and 9/11 was a false-flag op run by the Israelis
The Huracan delivered a very smooth, clean lap -- perhaps the best of all time -- with the active-aero glueing it round the corners. No fighting the steering wheel, like the other cars with less corner-grip
Rob_R said:
Having viewed Misha's analysis, I would have to agree. The Performante's lap time appears to be bogus, which is shame.
Or just plain CRIMINAL depending on how you look on it. I don't suppose people have put orders in based on a made up ring time though. Everyone knows these cars bare no resemblance to customers production cars.Its a big PR stunt to hype up the car but looks now to have backed fired on them
I was just about to post Misha's video as I could not fathom how the Performante had managed to clock such an improvement in times based on the mods that have occurred.
Based on this video and other analysis I am calling Lamborghini out on this, I think they have FAKED this, yes I said it. One other thing why no external shots of the car during its run???
Based on this video and other analysis I am calling Lamborghini out on this, I think they have FAKED this, yes I said it. One other thing why no external shots of the car during its run???
And this, Ladies and Gentlemen is why we have actual, real racing.
It doesn't matter who claims what in isolation, especially as precisely zero of any supercar customers are going to have the skills to get anywhere near the ultimate level of performance these cars now have, the only way to compare is a real race, side by side, under controlled conditions. The flag drops, first one to the end wins! (and even then, the actual margins between the winner and looser will be minuscule)
It doesn't matter who claims what in isolation, especially as precisely zero of any supercar customers are going to have the skills to get anywhere near the ultimate level of performance these cars now have, the only way to compare is a real race, side by side, under controlled conditions. The flag drops, first one to the end wins! (and even then, the actual margins between the winner and looser will be minuscule)
Rob_R said:
anonymous said:
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Having viewed Misha's analysis, I would have to agree. The Performante's lap time appears to be bogus, which is shame.Yipper said:
Lol.
Loads of YouTube conspiracy videos out there. The Moon landings were filmed in Nevada, and 9/11 was a false-flag op run by the Israelis
The Huracan delivered a very smooth, clean lap -- perhaps the best of all time -- with the active-aero glueing it round the corners. No fighting the steering wheel, like the other cars with less corner-grip
It's a tricky one to call this. On one hand you've got someone who has produced a detailed video highlighting possible discrepancies, on the other you've got someone who has mastered the use of emojis.Loads of YouTube conspiracy videos out there. The Moon landings were filmed in Nevada, and 9/11 was a false-flag op run by the Israelis
The Huracan delivered a very smooth, clean lap -- perhaps the best of all time -- with the active-aero glueing it round the corners. No fighting the steering wheel, like the other cars with less corner-grip
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