RE: Lotus Emeya finishes testing, looks great doing it
Discussion
Julian Scott said:
JerryF said:
Miserablegit said:
Let’s not pretend this is a Lotus. It’s a Chinese car from a Chinese factory for the Chinese market with a lotus badge stuck on.
Totally agree!IanJ9375 said:
Master Of Puppets said:
A 4 door Lotus. 
I'm out.
Really?I'm out.
Lotus should go back to when they were making the Mk1 Elise when they were an Italian Company, or a later one/Exige S from when they were a nice, relatable pie-and-mash-eating Malaysian company. Or Japanese-owned. Or American-owned...
Emilio Largo said:
I don´t follow the marque (and frankly have no idea who would need this model), so forgive me, but looking at the number plates I wonder: Why Landkreis Groß-Gerau? Is there any connection between this new electric "Lotus" and Opel?
Lotus Tech have an innovation centre in RaunheimEdited by Emilio Largo on Friday 9th February 13:28
Julian Scott said:
SDK said:
911Spanker said:
How is the Eletre/Electra (seems like it was named after a porn star) doing sales wise?
The Eletre had over 16,000 orders by last August, which is a huge increase over the 576 cars Lotus sold in the whole of 2022 
Fermit said:
Julian Scott said:
SDK said:
911Spanker said:
How is the Eletre/Electra (seems like it was named after a porn star) doing sales wise?
The Eletre had over 16,000 orders by last August, which is a huge increase over the 576 cars Lotus sold in the whole of 2022 No companies are going to be making the equivalent of Elise, Exige etc going forward, their time has passed. Excepting possibly a few ultra low volume niche makes (that are going to be VERY expensive) Lotus have the option of using their engineering and dynamic skills in another sector or simply vanishing.
I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
arkitan said:
No companies are going to be making the equivalent of Elise, Exige etc going forward, their time has passed. Excepting possibly a few ultra low volume niche makes (that are going to be VERY expensive) Lotus have the option of using their engineering and dynamic skills in another sector or simply vanishing.
I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
Lotus Cars (Hethal) had nothing to do with developing this car, it's the work of Lotus Tech (Wuhan)I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
Silvanus said:
arkitan said:
No companies are going to be making the equivalent of Elise, Exige etc going forward, their time has passed. Excepting possibly a few ultra low volume niche makes (that are going to be VERY expensive) Lotus have the option of using their engineering and dynamic skills in another sector or simply vanishing.
I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
Lotus Cars (Hethal) had nothing to do with developing this car, it's the work of Lotus Tech (Wuhan)I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
arkitan said:
Silvanus said:
arkitan said:
No companies are going to be making the equivalent of Elise, Exige etc going forward, their time has passed. Excepting possibly a few ultra low volume niche makes (that are going to be VERY expensive) Lotus have the option of using their engineering and dynamic skills in another sector or simply vanishing.
I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
Lotus Cars (Hethal) had nothing to do with developing this car, it's the work of Lotus Tech (Wuhan)I'd rather they stick around even if they aren't making the types of cars that they used to. There might even be enough economies of scale and shared resources (along with the backing of Geeley) to enable them to produce a half decent EV sports car even if that will still be expensive and a very different animal to the lightweights of before.
Lotus (Cars and or/Engineering of Norfolk) worked on the following cars (amongst many that we dont know about)
Lotus Cortina - Loads of Lotus input. Only has Lotus badges but its a Ford underneath.
Vauxhall Carlton / Opel Omega - Vx / Opel badge on the front, Lotus on the side.
Jensen Healey - Got the classic Lotus engine but no badges...
Isuzu Piazza - I think Mr Kershaws predecessor must have glanced at it and hence it gets a "Handling by Lotus" badge
Lotus Emeya or Electre are down here. I'm pretty sure that very little of those cars came from Norfolk.
If I were looking for a new EV I would def be interested in the Emeya but I'd choose against a Tesla, Polestar etc purely on the usual metrics.
Lotus Cortina - Loads of Lotus input. Only has Lotus badges but its a Ford underneath.
Vauxhall Carlton / Opel Omega - Vx / Opel badge on the front, Lotus on the side.
Jensen Healey - Got the classic Lotus engine but no badges...
Isuzu Piazza - I think Mr Kershaws predecessor must have glanced at it and hence it gets a "Handling by Lotus" badge
Lotus Emeya or Electre are down here. I'm pretty sure that very little of those cars came from Norfolk.
If I were looking for a new EV I would def be interested in the Emeya but I'd choose against a Tesla, Polestar etc purely on the usual metrics.
The thing that I really don't get about these (and my friend has just bought one) is that who really wants a Lotus SUV/Saloon (regardless of how it is powered and excluding Cortinas and Carltons) in the UK?
In my mind and I suspect in the mind of the school run crowd, Lotus is not an aspirational "luxury" brand. They have traditionally made excellent sports cars for the enthusiast but for the lay person, the brand holds little appeal. I would go as far as to argue that most SUV buyers probably wouldn't even know what a Lotus was (my wife certainly wouldn't).
Porsche is a brand that nearly everybody knows and most will see as aspirational. Lotus? Maybe to the car enthusiast but not to anybody else in the UK.
As to why my friend bought one? He knows nothing about cars and truthfully isn't really interested in driving, what he is interested in is being viewed as an early adopter of new technology. He has had various Teslas but now feels that they have lost their kudos (due to everybody having one). He wanted a Chinese electric car (he believes that they make the best) and had vaguely heard of Lotus (and knew that this specific one was Chinese).
I personally think he is mad (and have told him so) and for the same budget would have bought an Ora Funky Cat (Chinese EV box ticked) and something actually fun... perhaps an Exige or an Emira if I really wanted a Lotus badge.
In my mind and I suspect in the mind of the school run crowd, Lotus is not an aspirational "luxury" brand. They have traditionally made excellent sports cars for the enthusiast but for the lay person, the brand holds little appeal. I would go as far as to argue that most SUV buyers probably wouldn't even know what a Lotus was (my wife certainly wouldn't).
Porsche is a brand that nearly everybody knows and most will see as aspirational. Lotus? Maybe to the car enthusiast but not to anybody else in the UK.
As to why my friend bought one? He knows nothing about cars and truthfully isn't really interested in driving, what he is interested in is being viewed as an early adopter of new technology. He has had various Teslas but now feels that they have lost their kudos (due to everybody having one). He wanted a Chinese electric car (he believes that they make the best) and had vaguely heard of Lotus (and knew that this specific one was Chinese).
I personally think he is mad (and have told him so) and for the same budget would have bought an Ora Funky Cat (Chinese EV box ticked) and something actually fun... perhaps an Exige or an Emira if I really wanted a Lotus badge.
Silvanus said:
Fermit said:
Julian Scott said:
SDK said:
911Spanker said:
How is the Eletre/Electra (seems like it was named after a porn star) doing sales wise?
The Eletre had over 16,000 orders by last August, which is a huge increase over the 576 cars Lotus sold in the whole of 2022 You can keep justifying in your mind that they are unconnected, but they are. The fact that this car has been worked on by Gavin Kershaw says more than different legal entities on the same brand, same group etc
Julian Scott said:
Silvanus said:
Fermit said:
Julian Scott said:
SDK said:
911Spanker said:
How is the Eletre/Electra (seems like it was named after a porn star) doing sales wise?
The Eletre had over 16,000 orders by last August, which is a huge increase over the 576 cars Lotus sold in the whole of 2022 You can keep justifying in your mind that they are unconnected, but they are. The fact that this car has been worked on by Gavin Kershaw says more than different legal entities on the same brand, same group etc
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