Incriminating Evidence
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The guy sounds like a dangerous driver. The fact that he's supposedly recommended "good" roads for driving on kind of indicate that he thinks the roads are his own racetrack. Can do without those sorts on the road.
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
I think its important to remember while you're posting here there was someone else involved in 10pshorts' accident who's life will never be the same. I don't believe 10pshort when he says that personally. Sure, his conscience will prick him from time to time, but when he gets out he can start to rebuild his life. The fact he's been in prison will be an inconvenience, but not nearly as inconvenient as not being able to open a jar, slice bread, tie your own shoes, or the hundreds of small things you've probably all done this morning which you couldn't do if you only had one working arm.
It seems to me there are people on here who have set there store our to be sympathetic to the OP, purely based on what he's posted on here. It would be nice to hear the other side of the argument from the biker, but the only thing thats been mentioned about him is he's lost the use of one arm. Shite, there were almost certainly a load of other colateral injuries but its an easy throw away line isn't it - "lost the use of" - it doesn't sound bad at all does it, but it might as well say "had his arm ripped out at the shoulder" which is effectively the same but just doesn't sound so nice does it. Well, put yourself in his shoes, and for the next hour, or just for the next thing you do, don't use your good hand. He's got that for the rest of his life.
Try asking the biker, or any of his family just what justice should have been metered out to 10pshort and I'll give you very very good odds they say it's a pity his father or son or brother can't be left in a room with him and a baseball bat. But that's not how our justice works so at the very least he should be locked up for a very, very long time.
His sentence is 12months and some inconveniece but his life will go on.
The bikers sentence will be there for the rest of his life, and he'll be lucky if the drugs he's had to take don't foreshorten that too. And all he did wrong was be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It seems to me there are people on here who have set there store our to be sympathetic to the OP, purely based on what he's posted on here. It would be nice to hear the other side of the argument from the biker, but the only thing thats been mentioned about him is he's lost the use of one arm. Shite, there were almost certainly a load of other colateral injuries but its an easy throw away line isn't it - "lost the use of" - it doesn't sound bad at all does it, but it might as well say "had his arm ripped out at the shoulder" which is effectively the same but just doesn't sound so nice does it. Well, put yourself in his shoes, and for the next hour, or just for the next thing you do, don't use your good hand. He's got that for the rest of his life.
Try asking the biker, or any of his family just what justice should have been metered out to 10pshort and I'll give you very very good odds they say it's a pity his father or son or brother can't be left in a room with him and a baseball bat. But that's not how our justice works so at the very least he should be locked up for a very, very long time.
His sentence is 12months and some inconveniece but his life will go on.
The bikers sentence will be there for the rest of his life, and he'll be lucky if the drugs he's had to take don't foreshorten that too. And all he did wrong was be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Edited by barreti on Monday 23 April 11:03
Munkie said:
The guy sounds like a dangerous driver. The fact that he's supposedly recommended "good" roads for driving on kind of indicate that he thinks the roads are his own racetrack. Can do without those sorts on the road.
All of us that actually enjoy driving have favorite roads, that doesn't make us by default dangerous.
Munkie said:
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
I don't think that many think his senrence is too harsh, I expect neither does he, what I do think is that in this case, going from what he's said on here, there is no benefit in him serving his sentence, what is it going to achieve? I would rather they weren't letting murderers and rapists out early because of over crowding though!
barreti said:
His sentence is 12months and some inconveniece but his life will go on.
no, it wont. it will change indelibley for ever. nothing will ever stop him thinking about that, and he will never forgive himself. Like the biker, his is a life sentence, in its way just as crippling.
Ive never argued that its not awful for the biker, to try and imply otherwise is the worst kind of railroading to prove a point.
Munkie said:
The fact that he's supposedly recommended "good" roads for driving on kind of indicate that he thinks the roads are his own racetrack. Can do without those sorts on the road.
Does it?
Recommending good roads is now a good supplement to getting a dangerous driving conviction, because you might enjoy driving for more than simply going from a to b?
I've recommended loads of roads that are fun to drive along. Enjoying driving and driving like a dangerous idiot thinking you OWN the roads are two very different things!
Dave
R_U_LOCAL said:
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Probably 3 - 4 months, then a period of a couple of months on home detention, followed by 6 months on licence.
Probably 3 - 4 months, then a period of a couple of months on home detention, followed by 6 months on licence.
Tough call Reg. The sooner the laws of this country get into this century the better, we could have the best police force in the world here, it is a shame that they are working with thier hands tied behind thier backs.
Another point, the last post by Reg, hopefully dispells the myth that all traffic police do is sit behind hedges with cameras, it ain`t nice picking bits of battered and broken bodies up.
R_U_LOCAL said:
If you think that "so what" constitutes an aggressive response, then you are well suited to your user-name.
I've pointed out a few facts to you and you don't like it.
Tough.
interesting.
you don't even concede that the expression 'so what?' really rather smacks of an attitude which doesn't care what another's opinion is? i agree with you, that is tough.
and, thanks for illustrating the nature of an argument to me: without you explaining to me that i don't like what you say i would never have recalled why were having this conversation. though, like your use of the word 'facts' i use the word 'conversation' advisedly.
PS excellent work on the usage of my user-name to brand me psychologically, i would never have thought of that application or meaning of the word i chose. and to think that people say that coppers are idiots. you've proved them all wrong there, you're a credit to the force. :thumb-up:
Mr Whippy said:
Munkie said:
The fact that he's supposedly recommended "good" roads for driving on kind of indicate that he thinks the roads are his own racetrack. Can do without those sorts on the road.
Does it?
Recommending good roads is now a good supplement to getting a dangerous driving conviction, because you might enjoy driving for more than simply going from a to b?
I've recommended loads of roads that are fun to drive along. Enjoying driving and driving like a dangerous idiot thinking you OWN the roads are two very different things!
Dave
I agree - recommending good roads is no evidence whatsoever of dangerous driving, or even a propensity to driving dangerously - I've done it myself and I'll continue to do so.
tybalt said:
Great thread - very interesting. RUL - you seem like a good bloke and a good copper. I agree with what you've written 100%. I suggest you stop feeding the trolls - they will probably get bored and find someone else to complain about.
is that me? am i a troll?
wow. picture that.
nervous said:
barreti said:
His sentence is 12months and some inconveniece but his life will go on.
no, it wont. it will change indelibley for ever. nothing will ever stop him thinking about that, and he will never forgive himself. Like the biker, his is a life sentence, in its way just as crippling.
Bollocks. Big deal, he'll be thinking about it. Just spend an hour not using your good hand Nervous, see how crippling that is.
nervous said:
Ive never argued that its not awful for the biker, to try and imply otherwise is the worst kind of railroading to prove a point.
I don't recall mentioning you actually.
And I wasn't implying it was afwul for the biker, I was telling you it is. I'm not railroading anyone, just pointing out some facts to balance the argument.
barreti said:
nervous said:
barreti said:
His sentence is 12months and some inconveniece but his life will go on.
no, it wont. it will change indelibley for ever. nothing will ever stop him thinking about that, and he will never forgive himself. Like the biker, his is a life sentence, in its way just as crippling.
Bollocks. Big deal, he'll be thinking about it. Just spend an hour not using your good hand Nervous, see how crippling that is.
agreed that is awful. i would never argue it isnt.
but 'thinking about it' is no picnic either barreti. I speak as a person who had a major accident when i was younger and i can tell you categorically that if you think all you do is 'think' about it, your sadly mistaken. Its ruinous. If you havent experienced it, you simply have no idea.
and for the record, i have a serious disorder in my hands, which means i spend all day every day not being able to use either of hands properly. I cant for instance button a shirt, or grip a cup, or hold a pencil. Is that enough perspective for you? or should i try and accelerate my condition on your behalf such that i can agree with a point that im not arguing with?
barreti said:
nervous said:
Ive never argued that its not awful for the biker, to try and imply otherwise is the worst kind of railroading to prove a point.
I don't recall mentioning you actually.
And I wasn't implying it was afwul for the biker, I was telling you it is. I'm not railroading anyone, just pointing out some facts to balance the argument.
youre not pointing out facts, your pointing out your opinion. theres a difference.
as for whether you mentioned me by name or not, it was heavily implied and you know it. its a strange thing to say it wasnt, actually.
Munkie said:
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
if you had taken the chance to read the thread you will see I pointed out that 12 months and 3 year ban for a tax paying enthusiast is NOTHING in comparrison to the 12 weeks the asian lad got for stealing a car, then killing a child, he was also on parole for a previous offence.
I was trying to see where the justice was in this compared to the lesser sentence where the killer got out 6 weeks later and then committed another crime which still only put him behind bars for 6 months.
tybalt said:
Great thread - very interesting. RUL - you seem like a good bloke and a good copper. I agree with what you've written 100%. I suggest you stop feeding the trolls - they will probably get bored and find someone else to complain about.
troll ?
once youve finished clearing up in the back do you wanna start polishing off at the front ?
but on a serious note, read the thread, it was the comparitive sentence I was pointing out, read it, RU agrees with what I said that it is a shocking state of events.
R_U_LOCAL said:
I've pointed out a few facts to you and you don't like it.
Tough.
Tough.
smacks of aggression again RU, think nervs got you on this one.
it also might be worth pointing out 10 pence admitted EVERYTHING, didnt try and play anything down, he really felt for the biker and admitted all along he lost controll.
if he had tried to wriggle out of the sentence, like RU says about the killer, he probbably wouldnt have got anything, so in essence RU's posts seem to be stating just that to me in a roundabout sort of way, and if he is plod thats great, case an offence, wriggle out of it, its proven youll probbably walk away.
thats great advice RU, top man
R_U_LOCAL said:
Your argument is weak and I think you'll find there are very few people who agree with your simplistic view.
this is a classic tachtic to get people onside, no?
double bluff no?
sounds like a manipulating comment to me either way, to try and gain people to your side.
in answer to your statement I am confident I can prove to the contrary and show that there are many many people who do not share your aggressive blinkered view.
R_U_LOCAL said:
you are well suited to your username.
and that could loosly be seen as discrimination too, my name is abu mohammed ajhari, therfore I want to blow myself up, as an example.
RU shouldnt post here no more, your digging a VERY deep hole for yourself and all you are proving is the arrogant attitude displayed by our token plod, aggressive, bigotory, loose discrimination, im actually shocked that all the steroe types of what the lower classes call filth are displayed right here.
as I said in the speed plod and the law thread, id quit right now, the difference here is I obviously have morals.
DucatiGary said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
I've pointed out a few facts to you and you don't like it.
Tough.
Tough.
smacks of aggression again RU, think nervs got you on this one.
There's a huge difference between straight talking and aggression. I'm a straight talker - if Nervous mis-interprets that as aggression, then that's his problem and not mine. I make no apologies whatsoever for being straightforward and occasionally blunt. If someone doesn't like it, then, as I said, tough.
DucatiGary said:
it also might be worth pointing out 10 pence admitted EVERYTHING, didnt try and play anything down, he really felt for the biker and admitted all along he lost controll.
if he had tried to wriggle out of the sentence, like RU says about the killer, he probbably wouldnt have got anything, so in essence RU's posts seem to be stating just that to me in a roundabout sort of way, and if he is plod thats great, case an offence, wriggle out of it, its proven youll probbably walk away.
thats great advice RU, top man
if he had tried to wriggle out of the sentence, like RU says about the killer, he probbably wouldnt have got anything, so in essence RU's posts seem to be stating just that to me in a roundabout sort of way, and if he is plod thats great, case an offence, wriggle out of it, its proven youll probbably walk away.
thats great advice RU, top man
No, that's a complete mis-representation of what I said, and I think you know full well that it is. Hussain didn't wriggle out of anything - he simply denied the offence on interview and there wasn't enough evidence to support the more serious charge. Do you know what 10penceshort said on interview? No, neither do I. Just because he pleaded guilty at the first opportunity doesn't mean that he admitted it to the Police. If someome pleads guilty in such a case, there is generally a huge weight of evidence against them and their defence team willadvise them to plead guilty. Don't be fooled into thinking that people plead guilty out of the goodness of their hearts - they do it because it's the best option for them.
In effect, both 10pence short and Hussain acted in exactly the same way at court - they pleaded guilty to all the charges. The difference was that the evidence of dangerous driving was good in one case, and non-existant in the other.
In cases where ther is clear evidence of dangerous driving, it's very difficult for anyone to "wriggle out", and I'd never advise anyone to do so. Please don't mis-represent what I've written in such a blatent way again.
R_U_LOCAL said:
Don't be fooled into thinking that people plead guilty out of the goodness of their hearts
again tarring everyone with the same brush, your pal who dealt with the case will tell you 10p was a young nieve lad, he coughed everything thinking that was the best thing to do, just becuase you deal with scum who wriggle out of everything at every given chance doesnt mean this guy was the same, again discrimination but this time it sounds like full blown rather than hinting discrimination.
R_U_LOCAL said:
Don't be fooled into thinking that people plead guilty out of the goodness of their hearts - they do it because it's the best option for them.
dreadful. what an assumption to make. what an even handed and fair fellow you are.
im just thankful my login is Nervous rather than Black.
pikey said:
I've wondered that myself.
Boys being boys tend to boast and fib a little, I imagine particularly so on an internet forum, so I can't see it standing up as evidence.
Lets try...
Yesterday I managed to get my Yaris over 150mph on the A2.
Boys being boys tend to boast and fib a little, I imagine particularly so on an internet forum, so I can't see it standing up as evidence.
Lets try...
Yesterday I managed to get my Yaris over 150mph on the A2.
Whimp. I got my Yaris to jump the Mersey the other night, although I should stop taking the DRUGS.
mat205125 said:
I've never met a copper who hadn't had a sarcasm bypass
In context, I've got a couple of mates who are in the Police and both are fairly normal.
I do take the piss about the training, being designed to destroy any personality, but one points out that in the 1st week on the beat as a 19 year old he walked around the back of a house to find a headless body lying on a patio, the guy having shot himsself at point blank through the mough with a shotgun. My mate thinks his sense of humour may have been altered by this.
DucatiGary said:
and that could loosly be seen as discrimination too, my name is abu mohammed ajhari, therfore I want to blow myself up, as an example.
RU shouldnt post here no more, your digging a VERY deep hole for yourself and all you are proving is the arrogant attitude displayed by our token plod, aggressive, bigotory, loose discrimination, im actually shocked that all the steroe types of what the lower classes call filth are displayed right here.
as I said in the speed plod and the law thread, id quit right now, the difference here is I obviously have morals.
Having met RU Local and spent a few hours in his company, let me assure you that totally and utterly wrong.
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