Stretched Tyres - Safe?
Discussion
bales said:
I am merely pointing out that what is one mans stupid is another mans cool
Not quite, it's 10 mens stupid is one mans cool 
The vast majority of people will think, like a lot of barry mods, think it looks silly and stupid.
However, if those kids want to do it, so be it. As long as they know the risks (both legally and safety), which I doubt, then let them I say.
They can, somewhat, justify their choice by saying "Yes, I know it's on dodgy ground legally, not approved by the tyre experts and I may be severely out of pocket if there's an insurance claim, but I like it and happy to take the risk". This is OK to an extent, however most are in denial I think and just do it as it's part of the "scene" that they are in.
Gaz. said:
On the mods to declare/notes section do these chaps tell their insurance companies that they have undersized tyres on wide rims?
Like with any other modification, I suspect some do and some don't. Some don't drive their cars on stretched tyres on the road at all but just keep the wheels for shows, etc. Gaz. said:
On the mods to declare/notes section do these chaps tell their insurance companies that they have undersized tyres on wide rims?
i wouldn't assume so.the manufacturers state its not being used as its inteded purpose and therefore unsafe?
if a tyre went pop, even if it was no fault of the sidewall, i'd imagine the insurance company may choose to cover it third party only, if at all.
That said you are supposed to mention *all* mods.
fitting tyres too small for the rim being one of them.
Some do and some don't of course. However, let's have an example or two of those that HAVE honestly described and informed their insurance of this mod. We know people with bodykits do and insurers are happy (subject to premium rise of course ).
There are a couple on this thread who said they did this "mod", maybe they can answer?
).There are a couple on this thread who said they did this "mod", maybe they can answer?
Edited by Dracoro on Friday 18th September 15:05
T89 Callan said:
You narrow minded little man.
You aren't really grasping the idea of an argument to be honest. You are supposed to put forward your assertion and the evidence to back it up, then I reply with counter-arguments and so on. I will grant you that looks are inherently subjective, though very clearly I'm not the only person that think stretched tyres look stupid. However, I did you a link to the thread showing evidence of a stretched tyre failing, and evidence that several respected tyre companies state that it's a bad idea. Your counter argument appears to be based on your assertion that I'm a narrow minded little man. Personally that doesn't swing the argument for me, but perhaps you have convinced others.
Perhaps a simple analogy will help, if evidence suggested that your nice jeans significantly increased the chances of getting cancer in your scrotum, would you ignore that risk because being seen in those jeans was more important for you?
Dracoro said:
The vast majority of people will think, like a lot of barry mods, think it looks silly and stupid.
b
ks.It's hardly cheap and stuck on is it? Looks pretty tasteful if done correctly.
Dracoro said:
This is OK to an extent, however most are in denial I think and just do it as it's part of the "scene" that they are in.
No, they do it because they like it.HTH.
Edited by skylinecrazy on Friday 18th September 17:22
Arthur Jackson said:
I think that any 'form-over-function' modification to a car is moronic.
But hey, it's just the way I am.
Care to elaborate on that?But hey, it's just the way I am.
Edited by Arthur Jackson on Friday 18th September 15:00
Say if you had a 206 and you stuck some tasteful GTI alloys on it. It improves the cars looks dramatically, how is that pointless?
skylinecrazy said:
Arthur Jackson said:
I think that any 'form-over-function' modification to a car is moronic.
But hey, it's just the way I am.
Care to elaborate on that?But hey, it's just the way I am.
skylinecrazy said:
Say if you had a 206 and you stuck some tasteful GTI alloys on it. It improves the cars looks dramatically, how is that pointless?
To me (which is the key here) there are better things to spend your money on. OK the wheels might be free, but I'm still not convinced it's worth doing. If however the hypothetical 206 handled, or even rode better with no deterioration in any other department it would be worth it (to me).Arthur Jackson said:
skylinecrazy said:
Arthur Jackson said:
I think that any 'form-over-function' modification to a car is moronic.
But hey, it's just the way I am.
Care to elaborate on that?But hey, it's just the way I am.
skylinecrazy said:
Say if you had a 206 and you stuck some tasteful GTI alloys on it. It improves the cars looks dramatically, how is that pointless?
To me (which is the key here) there are better things to spend your money on. OK the wheels might be free, but I'm still not convinced it's worth doing. If however the hypothetical 206 handled, or even rode better with no deterioration in any other department it would be worth it (to me).
I ran lightly stretched falkens the front of my old 200 and there wasnt a problem at all. I ran them on a track day at combe with no adverse effects. I do think the amount they are stretched and tyre pressures and how they are treated are an issue however.
The more important aspect is how a stretched tyre affects the cars handling. You are effectively removing any sidewall play and this has a knock on effect on the suspension/geometry as a whole. It's bad news all around if you have any interest in a cars setup.
If you like good handling stay away from it, if you like style - just don't take the piss with it and expect to stay on the road !!
The more important aspect is how a stretched tyre affects the cars handling. You are effectively removing any sidewall play and this has a knock on effect on the suspension/geometry as a whole. It's bad news all around if you have any interest in a cars setup.
If you like good handling stay away from it, if you like style - just don't take the piss with it and expect to stay on the road !!
And for all the safety conscious who were asking about fitting, there is obviously no need to go to a tyre fitting place! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc5_PzjTVT4
ETA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw5LUj6WvU&NR=...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-LnkEUAImU&fea...
Looks like the way to do it obviously
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc5_PzjTVT4
ETA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw5LUj6WvU&NR=...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-LnkEUAImU&fea...
Looks like the way to do it obviously
Edited by lewis_sharman on Friday 18th September 18:06
tossbag said:
Im not sure what you are trying to show there. But thats an example of poor offset. Its little to nothing to do with tyre stretching.P,
Arthur Jackson said:
skylinecrazy said:
Arthur Jackson said:
I think that any 'form-over-function' modification to a car is moronic.
But hey, it's just the way I am.
Care to elaborate on that?But hey, it's just the way I am.
skylinecrazy said:
Say if you had a 206 and you stuck some tasteful GTI alloys on it. It improves the cars looks dramatically, how is that pointless?
To me (which is the key here) there are better things to spend your money on. OK the wheels might be free, but I'm still not convinced it's worth doing. If however the hypothetical 206 handled, or even rode better with no deterioration in any other department it would be worth it (to me).I'm not trying to have a go at you, I'm just interested how far you take it. I generally think the same way as you, but there's no way I'd ever buy a silver or white car so in some ways I'm still a slave to looks.
Edited by kambites on Friday 18th September 18:51
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