New VED Bands

[DucatiGary]

madness, our december 2000 registered 4.6 v8 range rover is £185 per year, our 1.8ltr march 2001 registered freelander will be £300

when does this come into effect?

edit just read april 2009

Edited by DucatiGary on Wednesday 12th March 17:09

[Mustard]

Paul V said:

What will happen to cars registered after 2001 that don't have a registered CO2 output? The Tuscan is currently £180 a year.

Classed as PLG so as per pre 2001

Heres a tip for you folks

Alpina are classed as PLG so will be excellent Value RFL

E39 525i = £430

B10 V8S 4.8 = £185

[Oakey]

[TW]Fox said:

The cars being taxed are already out there - these tax rises won't curb their use unless they are scrapped and replaced with new cars. How is applying this tax retrospectively a good thing?

Once you've paid for a years tax at £stupid you are not exactly going to restrain your use of the car, are you? On the contrary it might even have the opposite effect. I often walk and use public transport - once I've paid £430 I'm getting MAXIMUM use out of the car.

I honestly cannot understand the reasoning behind the decision to apply this to existing cars. They didnt do it last time so why this time? What is it intended to acheive?

Money, that's about the gist of it. Under the guise of 'protecting the environment'

[jezzaaa]

It's all baloney...I mean what difference is £950 extra ticket price and £440 per year after that going to make to people who can afford £40K plus cars, which i would imagine are mostly the ones which belch out most CO2?? None whatsoever. It won't stop one bloody sale of new motors. All that will happen is that those cars in the top bracket will depreciate quicker for the poor buggers that bought them without hindsight of knowing what the tts in charge would do.

[Rob_J]

Vesuvius 996 said:

Don said:

Mustard said:

falcemob said:

Not sure if it's been posted but did anyone notice this

4.71 Budget 2008 announces that vehicle excise duty (VED) refunds will be restricted to
the registered keeper of a vehicle and applicable only when a vehicle has: been stolen,
destroyed, sold or otherwise disposed of; become eligible for a nil licence; been declared as
statutorily off-the-road ; or been permanently exported. This will help ensure that motorists
cannot avoid paying a pre-announced rate of VED.

So it will be impossible to cash your tax in early and re-tax to avoid any increase.

Or take a car off the road over winter

Surely not. I'd have thought a few people who genuinely own Sunny Sundays in Summer cars might well choose to simply tax the car from April to September (6 months). I presume this is is still OK? I also presume if you declare SORN you will be entitled to the remaining tax back and so could tax a car for shorter periods, too?

Nope.

If you SORN it you lose the remaining tax.

Clever eh?

Ergh looking at above seems you will get refund if you SORN?? or did I misread it??

[The Black Flash]

Hah, mine does 161 CO2 (g/km). In by 1, stoked.

Nowhere near as bad as many, but still a 25% increase...FFS.

[Vesuvius 996]

jezzaaa said:

It's all baloney...I mean what difference is £950 extra ticket price and £440 per year after that going to make to people who can afford £40K plus cars, which i would imagine are mostly the ones which belch out most CO2?? None whatsoever. It won't stop one bloody sale of new motors. All that will happen is that those cars in the top bracket will depreciate quicker for the poor buggers that bought them without hindsight of knowing what the tts in charge would do.

Irrelevant ot the goveernment.

This is about TAX.

[signia]

ooh I wonder if there is a list of cars you can buy new which are classed as PLG then - without a published CO2 figure?

[Apache]

jezzaaa said:

It's all baloney...I mean what difference is £950 extra ticket price and £440 per year after that going to make to people who can afford £40K plus cars, which i would imagine are mostly the ones which belch out most CO2?? None whatsoever. It won't stop one bloody sale of new motors. All that will happen is that those cars in the top bracket will depreciate quicker for the poor buggers that bought them without hindsight of knowing what the tts in charge would do.

Which is precisely why they do it. we may think they are all a bunch of idiots, and when it comes to governance they are, but, they are supreme experts at raising capital

[patchst]

is there actually a car that falls in to bracket A?

[grumbledoak]

[TW]Fox said:

The cars being taxed are already out there - these tax rises won't curb their use unless they are scrapped and replaced with new cars. How is applying this tax retrospectively a good thing?

Once you've paid for a years tax at £stupid you are not exactly going to restrain your use of the car, are you? On the contrary it might even have the opposite effect. I often walk and use public transport - once I've paid £430 I'm getting MAXIMUM use out of the car.

I honestly cannot understand the reasoning behind the decision to apply this to existing cars. They didnt do it last time so why this time? What is it intended to acheive?

Applying this retrospectively means you have already lost £ks of the value of your car. And you will lose £ks more driving a new one off the forecourt. Compared to that, a few years higher VED will be small change. And, once you have paid it, you may as well get your money's worth.

Though I'm pretty sure they are counting on this.

Deeply cynical move, likely to harm the environment. And all because Gordon has been such an imprudent git.

[falcemob]

Rob_J said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

Don said:

Mustard said:

falcemob said:

Not sure if it's been posted but did anyone notice this

4.71 Budget 2008 announces that vehicle excise duty (VED) refunds will be restricted to
the registered keeper of a vehicle and applicable only when a vehicle has: been stolen,
destroyed, sold or otherwise disposed of; become eligible for a nil licence; been declared as
statutorily off-the-road ; or been permanently exported. This will help ensure that motorists
cannot avoid paying a pre-announced rate of VED.

So it will be impossible to cash your tax in early and re-tax to avoid any increase.

Or take a car off the road over winter

Surely not. I'd have thought a few people who genuinely own Sunny Sundays in Summer cars might well choose to simply tax the car from April to September (6 months). I presume this is is still OK? I also presume if you declare SORN you will be entitled to the remaining tax back and so could tax a car for shorter periods, too?

Nope.

If you SORN it you lose the remaining tax.

Clever eh?

Ergh looking at above seems you will get refund if you SORN?? or did I misread it??

It looks like that to me but on a couple of occasions I have had to cash the tax in and re-tax so I could spread my bills out evenly over the year rather than everything falling in one month.

[jamieboy]

Rob_J said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

falcemob said:

4.71 Budget 2008 announces that vehicle excise duty (VED) refunds will be restricted to
the registered keeper of a vehicle and applicable only when a vehicle has ... been declared as
statutorily off-the-road ...

If you SORN it you lose the remaining tax.

Clever eh?

Ergh looking at above seems you will get refund if you SORN?? or did I misread it??

I read it the same as you, i.e. SORN is still OK....

[spidermanUK]

Vesuvius 996 said:

Don said:

Mustard said:

falcemob said:

Not sure if it's been posted but did anyone notice this

4.71 Budget 2008 announces that vehicle excise duty (VED) refunds will be restricted to
the registered keeper of a vehicle and applicable only when a vehicle has: been stolen,
destroyed, sold or otherwise disposed of; become eligible for a nil licence; been declared as
statutorily off-the-road; or been permanently exported. This will help ensure that motorists
cannot avoid paying a pre-announced rate of VED.

So it will be impossible to cash your tax in early and re-tax to avoid any increase.

Or take a car off the road over winter

Surely not. I'd have thought a few people who genuinely own Sunny Sundays in Summer cars might well choose to simply tax the car from April to September (6 months). I presume this is is still OK? I also presume if you declare SORN you will be entitled to the remaining tax back and so could tax a car for shorter periods, too?

Nope.

If you SORN it you lose the remaining tax.

Clever eh?

Well someone got it wrong when I cashed in my RFL at the end of Jan and declared my car SORN....they sent me a nice cheque for 75 quid.

I taxed the car again from 1st March and paid £300 rather than the £400 if I'd let it expire at the end of April.

[waynepixel]

village idiot said:

pats his 2000 registered alfa 166 3.0 v6.... oh so glad i didn't buy a 2001 example instead!

Pat the bonnet of VW GTI which was registered in 2000, but has 2001 spec. This is just getting out of hand, 400+ for road tax.

Edited by waynepixel on Wednesday 12th March 17:38

[Don]

Hmmm. Well, Cameron. Promise to repeal the VED re-banding and you'll have my vote.

The green meanies would go bonkers, of course, but there's an AWFUL LOT of motorists.

This road tax thing is going to hurt. Which is a bit bonkers as fuel is a far higher tax - but you don't pay for that all at once - people will notice. Maybe it will make 'em go to the polls.

[PJR]

patchst said:

is there actually a car that falls in to bracket A?

Polo Bluemotion I believe. And diesel Smart fortwo's. Although presently you have to import those from mainland europe and live with lhd. There is a couple of other cars also, but I don't recall what they are right now.

P,

[Plotloss]

According to VCAcarfueldata.org.uk

Number of petrol vehicles in the 101 or less band: 0

Number of petrol vehicles in the 225 or more band: Over 600

Shock.

[caiss4]

So my total VED bill for 3 cars will go from £605 to £1055 in 2009. That's £440 for the S4, £415 for the family bus and £200 for the '96 Volvo garbage barge.

So, methinks, I need to revise my transport policy. Firstly can't live without the S4 so I'll have to eat the hike. The family Nissan could be changed but I'd probably only get down to £260 a year so a lot of hassle to save £155 a year. So goodbye Volvo. Now instead of doing 7k miles per year in the S4 and 10k in the Volvo I'll do it all in the S4. OK, fuel cost is higher (S4 does 6mpg less than the Volvo)but at least I'll get some enjoyment from burning all that cash.

Great environmental policy at 321g/km........

[touching cloth]

Vesuvius 996 said:

Think I'll be hanging on to my 2000 911 Carrera for ever then.


It's probably worth a bob or two more now - £185 a year.

Sooner or later they will find a way to fk us Soov (98 4.2 Cerb here ) - look at Ken and his C-Charge - no longer just top band cars at £25, but top band or pre 01 over 3l. Another year or so and I bet they put a capacity based rise on road tax for pre 01 cars too.