RE: New M5 Gets Show Debut In Shanghai
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In my eyes theres never been a bad M5 and I dont think there ever will be. They just change as they evolve and Im sure in 12 months we will all have a wet one over this just like we did when we learned to love th E60.
Sadly legislation makes them heavier and forces us farther into the middle but the power should compensate
Sadly legislation makes them heavier and forces us farther into the middle but the power should compensate
fatboy b said:
Does nothing for me at all - and that goes for all current BMW styling.
Funny how these things works isnt it.every time I see a Z4 I think its teh best looking car on the road. I like BMs' but always could take or leave them.
The new z4 is absolutely fantastic and the new 5 series is almost as nice, a very handsome car.
this M5 will look great pitty it does not have the v10 in it though.
neil_bmw said:
Kong said:
I think this goes to show the German power war is over.
1998 - M5 400bhp
2000 - E55 AMG 470bhp
2002 - RS6 440bhp
2005 - M5 500bhp
2007 - RS6 570bhp
2009 - E63 AMG 525bhp
2011 - M5 552bhp
For the first time BMW and Merc have both released their fastest executive saloon with LESS power than the existing Audi.
And the corresponding torque figures and power to weight figures are?1998 - M5 400bhp
2000 - E55 AMG 470bhp
2002 - RS6 440bhp
2005 - M5 500bhp
2007 - RS6 570bhp
2009 - E63 AMG 525bhp
2011 - M5 552bhp
For the first time BMW and Merc have both released their fastest executive saloon with LESS power than the existing Audi.
I said the German 'power' war seems to be over. Not the lb/ft per ton war
RichB said:
Pesty said:
...every time I see a Z4 I think its the best looking car on the road...
Really? You're easily satisfied aren't you. BMW Z4 or... let me see; Aston Martin DB9, Alfa Romeo Competitzione 8C, Maserati Gran Turismo... Humm no I'll take the BMW Z4 Its a damn sexy car IMO. Your are of course entitled to dissagree which is cool. I might get one cheaper if nobody agrees with me
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 19th April 22:18
Matt UK said:
That is a big old beast. I'm sure it will handle but I can't help wonder if this car is bigger than the 7 was of 10 years ago (I can't be bothered to wiki right now)
E38 7 series (1994–2001)Length - 5,123 mm (201.7 in)
Width - 1,862 mm (73.3 in)
F10/F11 5 Series (2011-)
Length - 4,899 mm (192.9 in
Width - 1,860 mm (73.2 in)
9 Inches Shorter
gforceg said:
"...despite the new car being larger.." you say? Whatever next?
Wouldn't a four wheel drive version just be pitching them down into Audi country?
There's a lot of demand for 4wd cars in the American market, and a lot of people in the UK worry about having 4wd because we've started to get some snow each year. I wonder at what point this will turn into a significant loss of sales; I have spoken to people saying they specifically want a car with 4wd because of the snow.Wouldn't a four wheel drive version just be pitching them down into Audi country?
kambites said:
Stop-start systems have quite a lot of input parameters which they use to decide whether to shut the engine down. I suspect the majority of cars with stop-start systems are turbocharged, so it's hardly a new problem to overcome.
I've never understood the dislike of stop-start systems. They have pretty much no draw-backs, in my experience.
Agreed- having driven some BMW cars with the system I'm impressed with the ones they offer- they seem to be very quick to re-start and take account of all of the conditions at the time. They're unintrusive and save fuel- what's not to like?I've never understood the dislike of stop-start systems. They have pretty much no draw-backs, in my experience.
I suppose on BMWs they can even prevent heat-soak, as they've cut the engine so no additional heat is being added, and they can keep the fans/water pump running as necessary as they're elecrically driven.
Zod said:
I don't know. They said when I was there a couple of weeks ago that the figure was remaining secret at Shanghai. The strong hint was that it would be more than the X5/6 M figure.
The reports I'd heard had quited the M engineers as saying "Do you really think we'd give it less power than the X5M?" which hinted to me that it would be the same power output or more, rather then definitely more. Have you heard more?Twincharged said:
The reports I'd heard had quited the M engineers as saying "Do you really think we'd give it less power than the X5M?" which hinted to me that it would be the same power output or more, rather then definitely more. Have you heard more?
The hint was that the work they'd done on it produced worthwhile improvements. Responsiveness was the major focus, but power was hinted at too.Kong said:
I think this goes to show the German power war is over.
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For the first time BMW and Merc have both released their fastest executive saloon with LESS power than the existing Audi.
Quite. I think Evo et al commented that the 570bhp RS6 was probably the highest output 4 car we will see in some time. Looks like they were right. Even Porsche can "only" manage 550bhp in the Pana Turbo S. (all £130k of it!)...
For the first time BMW and Merc have both released their fastest executive saloon with LESS power than the existing Audi.
red_slr said:
Quite. I think Evo et al commented that the 570bhp RS6 was probably the highest output 4 car we will see in some time. Looks like they were right. Even Porsche can "only" manage 550bhp in the Pana Turbo S. (all £130k of it!)
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