RE: TVR's new owner: PH Meets
Discussion
elisek said:
Lowtimer said:
For someone who isn't involved you seem very excited about it.
Perhaps rather empty posturing, you could provide a link to the official trademark registry which provides evidence for your claims?
sorry you are wrong.Perhaps rather empty posturing, you could provide a link to the official trademark registry which provides evidence for your claims?
i read so many s
t here that i thought to give you some clues to find the solution...just find and read. everything is public. but i think that here people prefer fantasize instead read the papers.JonRB said:
crosseyedlion said:
Ah well that makes a lot more sense. Now that we have established that he's the "Facebook Fantasist" it all makes sense.
'Not involved' indeed.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
The application for a TVR Engineering trademark in Italy, is being opposed by the old Austrian TVR holding company and TVR Italia:-
http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_... - as you can see applicant is Fabio Cardoni, (pretty naff logo too IMHO)
As per the PH thread above, seems as though Mr Cardoni and Elisek co-own the Black Douglas Bike company. So I'd assume Elisek does have some vested interest, but not sure if Elisek is anything to do with TVR Italia, as he'd be opposing his own trademark application with Mr Cardoni for TVR Engineering.
The registered trademark by new TVR seems to be the winged version:
http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_...
ETA- Just tried the links and they don't seem to work....if you enter "TVR" in the Trade Mark Name field takes you to the search. TVR Engineering is the first result.
Edited by djstevec on Tuesday 25th June 15:41
crosseyedlion said:
elisek said:
okok
thanks
i wait for other 44 pages
Can you please just....go away.thanks
i wait for other 44 pages
Stop tainting TVR Gregis. You turn everything into the cryptic TVR Elisek show, not providing any evidence to substantiate outlandish claims and offending people. Even worse, for the uninformed you fraudulently pretend to be TVR on facebook, no different to a con-man.
You're worse than the russian.
Blown2CV said:
uk66fastback said:
Just read the interview but not the thread. He's said about as much as a politician. Won't even tell PH what TVR he owned... Bag o' ste.
we've been round this a few times now, and you would know this if you had read the thread. It's not that he doesn't know, its that he purposefully doesn't want to give away too much too early. I am not sure why people think this is suspect or shows ignorance. You wouldn't want to blurt all the plans regardless of what business venture it was, but with TVR and all the history and baggage that goes with it (aswell as the idiots who base their opinion of a mate of a mate of a mate who had a TVR "but it broke down", or even worse, on preconceptions based on nothing), it's absolutely wise. Stomping in and saying "it's ste.te" because he kept a lot back in the interview just demonstrates a complete lack of even basic business knowledge, but highlighting that you havent bothered to read the thread before forming an opinion just indicates that it's founded on nothing. I shall read the thread in the next day or two and see what is within. I hope to learn a lot more but I shan't be holding my breath to be honest.
elisek said:
JonRB said:
Ah well that makes a lot more sense.
Now that we have established that he's the "Facebook Fantasist" it all makes sense.
'Not involved' indeed.
JB i think you are for sure the biggest idiot here! ahahhaahahahahNow that we have established that he's the "Facebook Fantasist" it all makes sense.
'Not involved' indeed.
Stop treating everyone like fools.
elisek said:
JonRB said:
Ah well that makes a lot more sense.
Now that we have established that he's the "Facebook Fantasist" it all makes sense.
'Not involved' indeed.
JB i think you are for sure the biggest idiot here! ahahhaahahahahNow that we have established that he's the "Facebook Fantasist" it all makes sense.
'Not involved' indeed.
cramorra said:
although I like the idea of an Italian TVR
IMO Italian engineering reliability and English design are a world beater (or am I geeting things the wrong way round...)
i don't understand what buying the TVR brand to make cars in italy is intended to achieve. If you are going to throw out everything that the brand means, then why the fIMO Italian engineering reliability and English design are a world beater (or am I geeting things the wrong way round...)
k would you buy the rights to it? It's just a stupid idea. I can only assume it's squatting and the guy is hoping to make a few quid from it, which i am almost certain will not happen.The interview in this Autocar magazine this week is interesting, adding to the PH story, confirming that the TVR Les Edgar co-owned was a Cerbera. It also discusses the rights to the name but I'm not going to feed the troll and repeat what it says here, suffice to say the article confirms what Edgar has bought and that the brand of TVR has been adequately protected by the former owner since car production ceased.
Edited by andyps on Thursday 27th June 10:20
Jellinek said:
I don't want to be confrontational, but the above is a recipe for disaster. Having worked with TWR (W, not V), ProDrive and other similar consultancy firms, I know how costly they are and it would bleed a small outfit dry. If Mr Edgar's plans are large enough to require a partner, then I'm afraid they are the wrong plans. What is needed is small team of experienced and talented engineers with a can-do attitude employed by TVR direct. However, I do agree that the new F-Type falls way short of the expectation its moniker carries and there is currently an opening in the market.
In terms of the car, they need to stick with the tubular steel chassis and GRP shell in the short term. I personally would get one or two of the old models up an running with a standard Ford V8 powertrain and the quality issues addressed asap to get the cashflow started. Call these the "Phoenix" Limited edition cars if you like with special paint and trim etc etc. This would minimize the Engineering workload whilst the company was still teething. It would also buy time to develop a new "halo" model, again with Ford V8 to grab the headlines. After that, i would roll out a "bread and butter" car with a Ford V6, still keeping to the same format, which would be the volume seller. A four pot could be developed later, I love the idea of bringing back the Vixen name, but not initially as it would disrupt the DNA continuity. I also think its incredibly unlikely given the comments in the interview. Its not the most glamorous plan, but remember the key thing is to survive, not blow all the cash on a one special that never made it to production.
TVR, more than any other Low Volume manufacturer, got so may things right. The Styling, the sound, the modular construction, the surprise and delight interiors etc ect. It would be incredibly foolish to throw away that basic winning formula and try to compete with the likes of Aston, (who make little or no money by the way). I take my hat of to the man. He is taking a huge gamble with his own cash to keep TVR alive and for that we should all be very grateful indeed.
One of the best pieces of advice I've seen with getting the TVR brand back up and running.In terms of the car, they need to stick with the tubular steel chassis and GRP shell in the short term. I personally would get one or two of the old models up an running with a standard Ford V8 powertrain and the quality issues addressed asap to get the cashflow started. Call these the "Phoenix" Limited edition cars if you like with special paint and trim etc etc. This would minimize the Engineering workload whilst the company was still teething. It would also buy time to develop a new "halo" model, again with Ford V8 to grab the headlines. After that, i would roll out a "bread and butter" car with a Ford V6, still keeping to the same format, which would be the volume seller. A four pot could be developed later, I love the idea of bringing back the Vixen name, but not initially as it would disrupt the DNA continuity. I also think its incredibly unlikely given the comments in the interview. Its not the most glamorous plan, but remember the key thing is to survive, not blow all the cash on a one special that never made it to production.
TVR, more than any other Low Volume manufacturer, got so may things right. The Styling, the sound, the modular construction, the surprise and delight interiors etc ect. It would be incredibly foolish to throw away that basic winning formula and try to compete with the likes of Aston, (who make little or no money by the way). I take my hat of to the man. He is taking a huge gamble with his own cash to keep TVR alive and for that we should all be very grateful indeed.
I do wish the venture well, but I know its far more daunting of a process than anyone expects.
Further I hope that Mr Edgar has examined (prior to investing a few million pounds) the failures of other brands resurfacing. Take for example the latest woeful reboot of DeTomaso whereby they tossed out the old logo (!) and then made their centerpiece offering a bland sedan. Financial problems aside they were doomed with that strategy.
I like the concept of getting the cash-and-work-flow moving under TVR by going back into the past and relaunching say a slightly refreshed Griffith 500 as the starting point. [That assumes the molds/gigs are still there which they may not be. I thought TVR sold off those pieces to discontinued models to secondary part suppliers.]
The new venture should work with the old dealers, service shops, owners and suppliers to ensure that the 'phoenix' (or perhaps 'heritage' edition), as suggested, is spot on with fit and finish, past weaknesses addressed, and yet retaining that smile inducing effect when you see and hear one go by.
While there is some room for minor hiccups among the very loyal core fans for those first cars under the new owner we all know that is exceedingly limited. Focus on realistic goals and work towards more ambitious plans - multiple car lines, in house developed engines, US-export certified models, racing program, etc - much further down the road. Small steps to get each phase right and yes keep plans under wraps as opposed to suggesting grand plans that never happen.
Its going to be a challenge to produce a car that undoubtedly won't be quite as polished or advanced as a Porsche, but needs to be every bit as desirable. A raw, rough and tough, yet seriously sexy car will fit the bill. The days of the quirky interior, scent of glue, and cheap feeling knobs have passed. The consumer expectations in 2013 are a far higher than they were in say 1992 and I don't envy Mr. Edgar having to live up to expectations with millions of pounds hanging in the balance.
fatbutt said:
Spot on. Given that Chevy sell pretty much any part of a car you might want, I wander if Ford will sell the drivetrain of a mustang (rather than just the engine)? I had a mustang on hire for the weekend and was surprised at how civilized it was. I think Mustang underpinnings, especially given Ford's cheap mass produced approach, would be a simple fit.
Or speak to FPV. They have a v8 and an i6 Turbo which are pretty handy.elisek said:
Hey
i cannotsay everything but i explained what i mean.
Everything is public.
Everyone is able to read can understand except 99% of the people that are able maybe to read only their shopping list!!!
i'm sorry to say that at the moment TVR is nothing, an empty box and that the only think that has value is the logo attached on a car.
Al the rest...companies in uk....drawings...and blabla are NOTHING.
If you want the key of the TVR story door you just need to read all the acts of the last 6 yrs.
It is not easy i know but everything is clear and public.
But as i told you, 99% people here are dreamers that scream scream scream without connect the brain!
cheers
your funny...... but not in a good wayi cannotsay everything but i explained what i mean.
Everything is public.
Everyone is able to read can understand except 99% of the people that are able maybe to read only their shopping list!!!
i'm sorry to say that at the moment TVR is nothing, an empty box and that the only think that has value is the logo attached on a car.
Al the rest...companies in uk....drawings...and blabla are NOTHING.
If you want the key of the TVR story door you just need to read all the acts of the last 6 yrs.
It is not easy i know but everything is clear and public.
But as i told you, 99% people here are dreamers that scream scream scream without connect the brain!
cheers
Edited by elisek on Tuesday 25th June 10:49
cramorra said:
although I like the idea of an Italian TVR
IMO Italian engineering reliability and English design are a world beater (or am I geeting things the wrong way round...)
there was some Italien connection I believe with the tVR Griffith 600? wich I believe later came up with other name's like italia coupe Intermeccanica Torino-Italia Omega 600 etc.IMO Italian engineering reliability and English design are a world beater (or am I geeting things the wrong way round...)
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