One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2

[Ahimoth]

There's a section of road on the edge of town where the road opens into two lanes for some lights, and then goes back down to one lane after about 100m the other side of the lights. I very regularly use this to move past people, because I know that I'll take the section of bends about half a mile on faster than most. I actually quite enjoy them.

However, if I'm sat there waiting for the lights and a driver looks across at me I know exactly what is going to happen, and I don't participate in the ensuing drag race. It annoys me slightly if I'm then behind them and they're taking those bends slowly.

What annoys me a lot more is when they then slow down and take the left turn 400m up the road. Desperate to be ahead of me, make me slow down 400m later.

[AdeV]

Thanks entirely to this thread, the first word that passed through my mind when I read the linked article was....


... yep, you guess it... Probably entirely unwarranted, but since when has that been a problem on this thread?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

[ORD]

AdeV said:

ORD said:

(I bloody hate coming across a group of cyclists, too, but they are allowed to be there and can be expected to nip around parked cars without having to check that someone isn't carrying out a bad overtake.)

Anyone who makes any kind of manoeuvre without checking to ensure it is safe to do so is a knob. I'm slightly surprised, given the slightly holy attitude you've given off in a number of replies recently, that you'd think it should be different for cyclists.

Did I say that they shouldn't check? Nope. Cyclists don't check before going around parked cars, so the poster was silly to overtake when a line of cyclists was approaching parked cars. Did he expect them to stop and allow him to complete the overtake? I doubt it. He just didn't plan that far ahead. Understandable and not a big deal, but he should have shown some humility about his mistake when the cyclists went mental.

Not sure what on Earth you are on about re "holy", but fill your boots!

[AdeV]

ORD said:

Did I say that they shouldn't check? Nope. Cyclists don't check before going around parked cars, so the poster was silly to overtake when a line of cyclists was approaching parked cars. Did he expect them to stop and allow him to complete the overtake? I doubt it. He just didn't plan that far ahead. Understandable and not a big deal, but he should have shown some humility about his mistake when the cyclists went mental.

I agree that, as road users, we should be on the lookout for knobbish behaviour, and potential knobbish behaviour - but it's easy to take that too far (especially when you're commenting from an armchair, and not the "coal face" so to speak). JagXJR had already pointed out they were riding 8-10 in line without leaving any gaps for passing traffic; presumably, therefore, the road is sufficiently twisty and/or busy that gaps in oncoming traffic are either few & far between, or such gaps that appear are not safe to overtake 40 feet of cyclists. Does this really mean you expect all motorists to sit, patiently, for the rest of their journey, behind a bunch of some of the slowest users of the road? I'm not saying JagXJR was right to overtake when parked cars were within sight (unless the road was plenty wide enough for all 3 vehicles - I took it as being "yes, but with less margin for error than one would like" rather than "no"; even so, the cyclist having not checked that it was safe to manoeuvre then reacts hysterically to a "toot" of the horn to inform him of the presence of the car (the ONLY CORRECT use of the horn, according to the Highway Code). What was wrong with a wave, or even continuing to ignore it?

No - it's typical these days, the person in the wrong automatically becomes apoplectic with anger and lashes out - verbally, with hand gestures, and often with even more dangerous activity with his vehicle (it's usually men). And that, irrespective of whether you were wronged, or in the wrong, makes you a knob.

[ManOpener]

AdeV said:

Thanks entirely to this thread, the first word that passed through my mind when I read the linked article was....


... yep, you guess it... Probably entirely unwarranted, but since when has that been a problem on this thread?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

Seriously st reporting there. That car is obviously not upside down.

[JagXJR]

Blown2CV said:

Sensibleboy said:

JagXJR said:

When I overtook you given a reasonable clear straight, the leaders proceeded to overtake some parked vehicles without even a backward glance, causing me to sound the horn to alert you to the fact I was there. I could still get past but it was a bit tight

They have every right to pass parked cars at the roadside. Sounds like a poor overtake to me.

agree, surely if you could see they were about to round some parked cars, you don't overtake. Can't expect them all to give way and stop dead to let you overtake!

Are you familiar with the concept of Mirror, Signal Maneuver? Or able to read?

There was enough room for a parked car and cycle in each direction, I just didn't want, given that the knobs did not even look as they overtook, (that is obviously the piss poor overtake being referred to) anyone to go 2 abreast (that would possibly put them in front of me) so sounded my horn (in a legal way) to let them know I was passing them. Their reactions (as well as yours) makes them knobs.

If you overtake someone and they suddenly decide to overtake someone in front of you, causing you
to have to slow or change course and you would be on here calling them knobs.

A clean licence and full no claims bonus seems to point to me being a better driver than is being suggested!

A few on here either do not know how to drive properly or are just out trolling?

[WD39]

Ahimoth said:

There's a section of road on the edge of town where the road opens into two lanes for some lights, and then goes back down to one lane after about 100m the other side of the lights. I very regularly use this to move past people, because I know that I'll take the section of bends about half a mile on faster than most. I actually quite enjoy them.

However, if I'm sat there waiting for the lights and a driver looks across at me I know exactly what is going to happen, and I don't participate in the ensuing drag race. It annoys me slightly if I'm then behind them and they're taking those bends slowly.

What annoys me a lot more is when they then slow down and take the left turn 400m up the road. Desperate to be ahead of me, make me slow down 400m later.

I would suggest that you need to expand your post a bit.

What is the speed limit on this stretch ? Are you exceeding the limit to get ahead ?
If two cars are leaving the line at the same time, 100 mtrs does not seem a respectable distance to get ahead, so there may be an element of 'cutting in' ?
If there are lights, there is probably a right turn ? With a right turn only arrow ?

There is a similar lay out near to me with a 'right turn only' arrow.
Every time I'm there a queue of drivers not turning right wait and race off on green and have cut in sharply, or bully a heighbouring car to slow down to let them in.

Now that is knobbish behaviour.

Edited by WD39 on Monday 9th February 13:53

[AdeV]

People who read a post, form an entirely new scenario in their heads, then call the OP a knob for that scenario (and not what actually happened).

[iva cosworth]

Last week I was proceeding in a southerly direction on the A23 approaching Redhill station.

There are 2 lanes there and I was in L1 .

Lo and behold a FFRR comes from L2 ,cuts across the front of my truck and enters the car park.

Shame the rear number plate was missing, with any luck he will be receiving fines from the clone as

payback for such bad driving.

[Europa1]

WD39 said:

There is a similar lay out near to me with a 'right turn only' arrow.
Every time I'm there a queue of drivers not turning right wait and race off on green and have cut in sharply, or bully a heighbouring car to slow down to let them in.

Now that is knobbish behaviour.

Edited by WD39 on Monday 9th February 13:53

Trumpington Road, heading into Cambridge, at the lights of the Shelford junction there often seem to be spawn of Terry F. Uckwit who seem to think the huge right arrow actually means "My journey is way more important than yours, so I'm allowed to treat this as a straight ahead lane and bully anyone in the correct lane into submission".

[Ahimoth]

WD39 said:

I would suggest that you need to expand your post a bit.

What is the speed limit on this stretch ? Are you exceeding the limit to get ahead ?
If two cars are leaving the line at the same time, 100 mtrs does not seem a respectable distance to get ahead, so there may be an element of 'cutting in' ?
If there are lights, there is probably a right turn ? With a right turn only arrow ?

There is a similar lay out near to me with a 'right turn only' arrow.
Every time I'm there a queue of drivers not turning right wait and race off on green and have cut in sharply, or bully a heighbouring car to slow down to let them in.

Now that is knobbish behaviour.

Edited by WD39 on Monday 9th February 13:53

It's 40mph there, and just after the merge it's 50mph, up to the left turn and then through the bends after which it's 60mph.

I'll move past people by being a little quicker off the mark without flooring it, if someone is trying to ensure I don't get past, I drop back. There's plenty of room beyond that to move in.

Quite frequently though, those that are turning left further up will use the right lane there while I'm sat at the front of the queue in the left lane.

All that said, it's one of those sections of road that does provoke some people. There's another one about 5 miles up the road. NSL single lane becomes 40mph dual carriageway for about half a mile, then there's two sets of lights at which those going ahead can use both lanes, with about 100m of two lanes beyond the second set of lights before it becomes single lane again. Using the right hand lane there at all really gets some people mad. The reason for it is pretty simple, the two sets of lights are so close together that if you only had one lane you'd hardly get any cars through there with each lights sequence.

[WD39]

Ahimoth said:

WD39 said:

I would suggest that you need to expand your post a bit.

What is the speed limit on this stretch ? Are you exceeding the limit to get ahead ?
If two cars are leaving the line at the same time, 100 mtrs does not seem a respectable distance to get ahead, so there may be an element of 'cutting in' ?
If there are lights, there is probably a right turn ? With a right turn only arrow ?

There is a similar lay out near to me with a 'right turn only' arrow.
Every time I'm there a queue of drivers not turning right wait and race off on green and have cut in sharply, or bully a heighbouring car to slow down to let them in.

Now that is knobbish behaviour.

Edited by WD39 on Monday 9th February 13:53

It's 40mph there, and just after the merge it's 50mph, up to the left turn and then through the bends after which it's 60mph.

I'll move past people by being a little quicker off the mark without flooring it, if someone is trying to ensure I don't get past, I drop back. There's plenty of room beyond that to move in.

Quite frequently though, those that are turning left further up will use the right lane there while I'm sat at the front of the queue in the left lane.

All that said, it's one of those sections of road that does provoke some people. There's another one about 5 miles up the road. NSL single lane becomes 40mph dual carriageway for about half a mile, then there's two sets of lights at which those going ahead can use both lanes, with about 100m of two lanes beyond the second set of lights before it becomes single lane again. Using the right hand lane there at all really gets some people mad. The reason for it is pretty simple, the two sets of lights are so close together that if you only had one lane you'd hardly get any cars through there with each lights sequence.

Thank you for your reasoned and rational reply

[loskie]

Out with the dog this afternoon along side the A75 trunk rd about 2m west of Castle Douglas. A black 1 series 3dr goes by. Middle aged balding driver in suit opens his door and throws out several empty crisp packets whilst on the move. My guess is he had devoured an entire multipack and was disposing of the evidence so his missus didn't find out.


What a fat ,ignorant, thoughtless wker.
If you are reading this, yes you (about 16;40) you are very lucky I did not get your reg number or I would have reported you.


TOSSER

[Blown2CV]

JagXJR said:

Blown2CV said:

Sensibleboy said:

JagXJR said:

When I overtook you given a reasonable clear straight, the leaders proceeded to overtake some parked vehicles without even a backward glance, causing me to sound the horn to alert you to the fact I was there. I could still get past but it was a bit tight

They have every right to pass parked cars at the roadside. Sounds like a poor overtake to me.

agree, surely if you could see they were about to round some parked cars, you don't overtake. Can't expect them all to give way and stop dead to let you overtake!

Are you familiar with the concept of Mirror, Signal Maneuver? Or able to read?

There was enough room for a parked car and cycle in each direction, I just didn't want, given that the knobs did not even look as they overtook, (that is obviously the piss poor overtake being referred to) anyone to go 2 abreast (that would possibly put them in front of me) so sounded my horn (in a legal way) to let them know I was passing them. Their reactions (as well as yours) makes them knobs.

If you overtake someone and they suddenly decide to overtake someone in front of you, causing you
to have to slow or change course and you would be on here calling them knobs.

A clean licence and full no claims bonus seems to point to me being a better driver than is being suggested!

A few on here either do not know how to drive properly or are just out trolling?

It seems to me that you knew you couldn't complete your manoeuvre by the time they'd have to start theirs, but you didn't care. It's not about who starts first.

[Mopar440]

loskie said:

What a fat ,ignorant, thoughtless wker.
If you are reading this, yes you (about 16;40) you are very lucky I did not get your reg number or I would have reported you.


TOSSER

Hello TOSSER,

Don't criticise so easily, you're one that was out with a dog, remember...

[anonymous-user]

People who think that having a clean licence and no claims bonus (aka a life time of undetected crime) makes them a better than average driver. I have both and I am a fking liability behind the wheel....

[gazza285]

AdeV said:

Thanks entirely to this thread, the first word that passed through my mind when I read the linked article was....


... yep, you guess it... Probably entirely unwarranted, but since when has that been a problem on this thread?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

Too much tonic wine?

[Sensibleboy]

JagXJR said:

If you overtake someone and they suddenly decide to overtake someone in front of you, causing you
to have to slow or change course and you would be on here calling them knobs.

But they didn't suddenly decide to pass parked cars did they? It was only sudden because of the poor anticipation of the car driver! If you looked ahead you'd be able to predict what they would do next. They shouldn't have to slow down to accommodate your ill timed overtake.

[Hol]

Ahimoth said:

It's 40mph there, and just after the merge it's 50mph, up to the left turn and then through the bends after which it's 60mph.

I'll move past people by being a little quicker off the mark without flooring it, if someone is trying to ensure I don't get past, I drop back. There's plenty of room beyond that to move in.

Quite frequently though, those that are turning left further up will use the right lane there while I'm sat at the front of the queue in the left lane.

All that said, it's one of those sections of road that does provoke some people. There's another one about 5 miles up the road. NSL single lane becomes 40mph dual carriageway for about half a mile, then there's two sets of lights at which those going ahead can use both lanes, with about 100m of two lanes beyond the second set of lights before it becomes single lane again. Using the right hand lane there at all really gets some people mad. The reason for it is pretty simple, the two sets of lights are so close together that if you only had one lane you'd hardly get any cars through there with each lights sequence.

If you get away first, you are simply 'quicker off the mark' than they are.
But, the car to your inside gets away first by being quicker off the mark, they are 'trying to ensure I don't get past'.

If they do get away first, you will dutifully pull in behind them.
But if you get away first, they will dutifully pull in behind you.


Am I missing something obvious?

Edited by Hol on Tuesday 10th February 08:41

[JagXJR]

Blown2CV said:

It seems to me that you knew you couldn't complete your manoeuvre by the time they'd have to start theirs, but you didn't care. It's not about who starts first.

So you decided to criticise my driving by how it seems to you? Not knowing the road and how wide it is. Well thanks for your input!

End of the day do you consider cyclists are exempt from looking behind befor overtaking anything? Not how I was taught to ride a bicycle.