The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVII)

[Output Flange]

Hope he sells it for £30k, then go and build one yourself for less and sell it for £30k. Profit!

[Sharknose]

Do I like this? Absolutely nyet!

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C645161

[dom9]

Output Flange said:

Hope he sells it for £30k, then go and build one yourself for less and sell it for £30k. Profit!

Will we ever find out? If the advert goes 'sold' now, will the vendor report the price paid?

Like I said; I hope he does sell it for that and I hope that's made him a profit. I'd buy it for a toy, at less money, which means a richer or less mechanically minded person may be absolutely willing to pay it.

I'll still take the bet one can be built (especially by the owner, like this car) for less than £30k and I certainly am inspired to try. I've had my eye on the S85 engine for a while now and costed out an LS engined M3 previously.

[Leins]

s m said:

Leins said:

Found a pic online:

That was Jul/Aug 89 issue

The Railton issue with the Serck italicized plates was Jul/Aug 91

Can still remember my shock at the time of it having a top speed 10mph in excess of the mighty F40. I'd actually not heard of Alois Ruf before that issue, but the fact he even used a narrow-body 911 to make the CTR made him an instant legend in my eyes

There were all sorts of other supercars being talked about at the time with fanciful top speeds, Vector W8s and the like, but here was something that seemed more tangible somehow, especially when seen on a printed page in those pre-internet days

Edited by Leins on Thursday 23 June 16:12

[Output Flange]

dom9 said:

LS engined M3 previously.

Where do you get an LSx from over here?

[dom9]

Output Flange said:

Where do you get an LSx from over here?

Parts World Performance are the main dealers, as I understand it.

A crate 525bhp LS3 is £6,300 incl. Tax but other parts will be required.

[Diesel Meister]

LS* Engine conversions are great. So much choice. So much grunt. So much win.

Although I'd love a spanish S65 / S85 powered E91. With roof-rails and a tow bar

[TheRocket]

Leins said:

Can still remember my shock at the time of it having a top speed 10mph in excess of the mighty F40. I'd actually not heard of Alois Ruf before that issue, but the fact he even used a narrow-body 911 to make the CTR made him an instant legend in my eyes

There were all sorts of other supercars being talked about at the time with fanciful top speeds, Vector W8s and the like, but here was something that seemed more tangible somehow, especially when seen on a printed page in those pre-internet days

Edited by Leins on Thursday 23 June 16:12

There is something so right about the RUF CTR, I'd go so far as to say it's my ultimate modified 911, Singer included.

V10 E46 M3, massive want, to my mind it's a low £20k car but I could easily see that costing more than £30k to build unless you are a very competent spanner man taking care of the labour/engineering challenges.

[tenfour]

Diesel Meister said:

LS* Engine conversions are great. So much choice. So much grunt. So much win.

In a Zimmer though? It just seems sacrilege, when Mr. Moter Werks produced some of the world's best engines. Therefore, mating one of his really big ones with one of his smaller chassis, is almost as satisfying as hanging all one's work shirts in order of their colour.

Or to put in another way: would you put an LS motor in a Porsche?

Don't get me wrong, I love a good yank (i'm the proud custodian of Uncle Henry's 6.2L 'Boss' donkey, and the vehicle he bolted onto it), but to quote the great Mr. Connery: "My, Dear, there are shum things which jusht aren't done..."

[NomduJour]

Output Flange said:

Where do you get an LSx from over here?

Suspect it's a lot cheaper to import one of pretty much any variety (and used less-glamorous ones like LMs/LQs/Vortecs are stupid-cheap). I'm (still) planning to bring a whole drivetrain over.

tenfour said:

Or to put in another way: would you put an LS motor in a Porsche?

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/911/LS-1.html

Edited by NomduJour on Thursday 23 June 17:59

[Output Flange]

There's something different about this...

[NomduJour]

The eectric one?

Electric even.

Edited by NomduJour on Thursday 23 June 18:09

[tenfour]

NomduJour said:

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/911/LS-1.html

[NomduJour]

Nothing's new:

[Diesel Meister]

tenfour said:

Diesel Meister said:

LS* Engine conversions are great. So much choice. So much grunt. So much win.

In a Zimmer though? It just seems sacrilege, when Mr. Moter Werks produced some of the world's best engines. Therefore, mating one of his really big ones with one of his smaller chassis, is almost as satisfying as hanging all one's work shirts in order of their colour.

Or to put in another way: would you put an LS motor in a Porsche?

Don't get me wrong, I love a good yank (i'm the proud custodian of Uncle Henry's 6.2L 'Boss' donkey, and the vehicle he bolted onto it), but to quote the great Mr. Connery: "My, Dear, there are shum things which jusht aren't done..."

You quote me *slightly* out of context but I'll forgive First of all, Connery is a don. Secondly, I am *all for* marque correct donk swaps (see my MR2), especially when, as you rightly point out, the Munchen Temple of Zimzallabim (TM) has some of the finest offerings in all of motordom. Totally agreed on that point as it applies to many marques.

That said (and without limitation!) I think that (a) there's potentially a disproportionate amount of cost and complexity in using some of the later S-engines where big cube robustness / simplicity (but with choice - you can make small blocks rev too) is a nice foil; (b) there are some vague and not entirely rational rules I observe when idly fantasising about donk swapping (e.g. marque correct is first choice but exceptions can be made, e.g. for cooking models as opposed to ///M / GT* / RS models); and (c) no V8s in 911s, F6s only!

Well, maybe with the exception of this one:



Short Vid.

I still think an LS7 in an E46 M3 would an interesting alternative to an S85 (although similarly spendy to run given the equivalent of an ///M-tax!).

[Minemapper]

Yes, but then you're driving a Camaro.

[ManOpener]

dom9 said:

I was imagining something more around £15k, to be honest.

A good standard E46 M3 will set you back that, a CS probably more.

dom9 said:

You're changing your argument now - is the clutch on this one brand new? There is an M5 manual available in the US so a clutch and flywheel must be available even if it needs modification, which isn't going to cost the Earth.

It's running an E90 M3 gearbox and, AFAIK, clutch.

For the record, I'm not sure it's worth £30k but I think you'd struggle to build one for much less unless you did all the work yourself.

[tenfour]

Minemapper said:

Yes, but then you're driving a Camaro.

Nothing wrong with the current/new Gen Camaros, dear boy. Indeed, I'd be in one right now were it not for an the previous owner of a perspective car apparently engaging reverse at some speed (still makes me shudder when I think about that test drive).

[Diesel Meister]

moose - true and true. I have a sickness, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the manufacturer offerings without the need for transplant surgery

Rocket - RUF CTR = most desirable FI 911 of all time. Bar none imo. Run close by 997 GT2 RS. But still the winner for me. Likely hype but it has a draw that transcends my usual preference for nasp (and ideally mezger'd), and I'm not a hater of FI either.

[ATM]

LS7 Race engine

£14000

Complete with Engine loom and stand alone ECU mapped to 640 bhp and 581 ft lbs torque

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182164616355