An Impreza did a 113mph average at the TT what to do better?
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Welshbeef said:
BenMk3 said:
I think the real answer is anything can beat the Impreza if you throw enough money at it
What about an off the shelf McLaren. There is no money thrown at it over the purchase price plus roll cage. Welshbeef said:
BenMk3 said:
I think the real answer is anything can beat the Impreza if you throw enough money at it
What about an off the shelf McLaren. There is no money thrown at it over the purchase price plus roll cage. 
But if we're being like that, how quick an Impreza could you build for the price of the McLaren?
GravelBen said:
Welshbeef said:
BenMk3 said:
I think the real answer is anything can beat the Impreza if you throw enough money at it
What about an off the shelf McLaren. There is no money thrown at it over the purchase price plus roll cage. But if we're being like that, how quick an Impreza could you build for the price of the McLaren?
Welshbeef said:
I believe that an Audi Le mans series car would possibly hit 150mph average speed and it could crawl over that bridge and still do it. On the straights this Audi can do well over 240mph and it's quick up to those speeds.
Sorry to be a pedant, but I'm not sure an R18 can actually go that fast. They don't go more than 210 at Le Mans these days, do they?C
CraigyMc said:
Welshbeef said:
I believe that an Audi Le mans series car would possibly hit 150mph average speed and it could crawl over that bridge and still do it. On the straights this Audi can do well over 240mph and it's quick up to those speeds.
Sorry to be a pedant, but I'm not sure an R18 can actually go that fast. They don't go more than 210 at Le Mans these days, do they?C
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shoestring7 said:
CraigyMc said:
Welshbeef said:
I believe that an Audi Le mans series car would possibly hit 150mph average speed and it could crawl over that bridge and still do it. On the straights this Audi can do well over 240mph and it's quick up to those speeds.
Sorry to be a pedant, but I'm not sure an R18 can actually go that fast. They don't go more than 210 at Le Mans these days, do they?C
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A better example might be a 248mph Mercedes-Sauber C9, circa 1989 (the chichanes were added in 1990).
I still recon a formula car would be faster. Quite a few of the places were bikes get air round the TT course would be flat out in a downforce car, which wouldn't even leave the ground.
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RobM77 said:
...or how quick a Caterham could you spec for the price of the Impreza?
Out of interest where do you reach the effective power limit for a Caterham to actually deploy it in a usable manner? Especially with bumps, cambers, slippery patches etc I imagine the lack of weight over the driven wheels becomes a factor. Even comparing between my MX5 and Legacy with similar power levels (~280bhp) the traction difference is quite noticeable in real-world driving.A Radical or single-seater type of thing though I certainly agree would eat everything, mid-engine + aero etc.
shoestring7 said:
CraigyMc said:
Welshbeef said:
I believe that an Audi Le mans series car would possibly hit 150mph average speed and it could crawl over that bridge and still do it. On the straights this Audi can do well over 240mph and it's quick up to those speeds.
Sorry to be a pedant, but I'm not sure an R18 can actually go that fast. They don't go more than 210 at Le Mans these days, do they?C
SS7
If they were not restricted by the length of the Mulsanne straight with bends then how fast could they go??
Welshbeef said:
If they were not restricted by the length of the Mulsanne straight with bends then how fast could they go??
It'd be interesting to know. For the record, the C9 had about 800bhp (the following years' C11 had 950bhp, but never got a chance to strut its stuff as the chichanes were in by then).The R18 has approx. 550bhp, so it better be either much slipperier and/or have a smaller frontal area than the earlier cars, if it's to make it up to those sorts of speeds. Without some help we will never know...
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GravelBen said:
RobM77 said:
...or how quick a Caterham could you spec for the price of the Impreza?
Out of interest where do you reach the effective power limit for a Caterham to actually deploy it in a usable manner? Especially with bumps, cambers, slippery patches etc I imagine the lack of weight over the driven wheels becomes a factor. Even comparing between my MX5 and Legacy with similar power levels (~280bhp) the traction difference is quite noticeable in real-world driving.A Radical or single-seater type of thing though I certainly agree would eat everything, mid-engine + aero etc.
. A Caterham would be much quicker than an Impreza from A to B over the IoM roads, I'm sure; but you're right, the De Dion rear end and front engined layout has its limitations deploying the power and a mid engined car with fully independant suspension with less power to weight would be as quick. As you rightly say, a Radical, 2-11, Juno, or a suitably set up single seater would obliterate the Impreza's time. For example, the Radical SR8 has done a 6m48s lap of the ring (was it even on a road setup?! I know it was driven to and from the circuit from Radical HQ in the UK), which is a minute faster than the quickest bike. Around the longer TT course it would be a foregone conclusion. However, we must account for banana skins and kangeroos getting in the way, or whatever the latest excuse is GingerWizard said:
EDLT said:
busta said:
And what exactly is the limit to how many bumps a McLaren can handle at speed?
McLaren actually tested that, it can cope with 9 ordinary bumps, or -4 TT bumps before killing everyone who's ever seen a car.then everyone died.
busta said:
GingerWizard said:
EDLT said:
busta said:
And what exactly is the limit to how many bumps a McLaren can handle at speed?
McLaren actually tested that, it can cope with 9 ordinary bumps, or -4 TT bumps before killing everyone who's ever seen a car.then everyone died.
Well if ou look back to the Porche 956 which in 1983 managed a 6min 11 second lap of the ring giving an average speed of 126mph.
One would imagine that nearly 30 years later firstly the equivalent would be much quicker on the exact same circuit dur to aero, tyres, suspension and of course power.
For reference at the ring
Porche 956 average speed 30 years ago 126mph
GT-R 105mph
a Nismo STI does 96mph.
One would imagine that nearly 30 years later firstly the equivalent would be much quicker on the exact same circuit dur to aero, tyres, suspension and of course power.
For reference at the ring
Porche 956 average speed 30 years ago 126mph
GT-R 105mph
a Nismo STI does 96mph.
Another thing to consider is the fact that even at the top of the mountain section he was on for a 120mph lap time but then brake failure caused him to slow and due to whatever reason he didnt quite link up the other runs as he did the first run.
So the 113mph ave speed run h achieved isnt the best possible out of the car it is the best achieved after 3 runs only and on the one which achieved the fastest lap he had to slow for safety reasons/inferior brakes.
That meant he would have lapped the circuit 57 seconds quicker than he did.
This would be a lap time of 18min 57 seconds. Remember that the fastest lap record is 17 min 12 seconds.
Therefore that would be 69 seconds slower over 37.84miles.... Im sure plenty of fast cars could make that up.
I think everyone here would agree that even withough going to racing cars there are plenty of road cars which are much much quicker than the Suburu used.
Anyway it's a great effort.
Which car make will man up and sponsor the event for next year????
Surely the type of fast car buyer would be taking note of such times and any bragging rights.
I'd say Porche 996 Turbo would do it.... now come on Phead's surely there is an owner here who would allow a racing driver to use their car to set a time?
So the 113mph ave speed run h achieved isnt the best possible out of the car it is the best achieved after 3 runs only and on the one which achieved the fastest lap he had to slow for safety reasons/inferior brakes.
That meant he would have lapped the circuit 57 seconds quicker than he did.
This would be a lap time of 18min 57 seconds. Remember that the fastest lap record is 17 min 12 seconds.
Therefore that would be 69 seconds slower over 37.84miles.... Im sure plenty of fast cars could make that up.
I think everyone here would agree that even withough going to racing cars there are plenty of road cars which are much much quicker than the Suburu used.
Anyway it's a great effort.
Which car make will man up and sponsor the event for next year????
Surely the type of fast car buyer would be taking note of such times and any bragging rights.
I'd say Porche 996 Turbo would do it.... now come on Phead's surely there is an owner here who would allow a racing driver to use their car to set a time?
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