One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2
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Brigand said:
Mandalore said:
A good one yesterday, involving a road sweeper and a queue of cars behind him, coming the othe direction.
I'm behind two cars in a 30mph zone heading into town, single carriageway. There's a line of cars behind me.
A road sweeper is coming the other way and cars behind it are overtaking, so the first car on our side stops a good five car lengths away, to wait until they stop overtaking the sweeper, and give us back the right of way. We all stop and wait also.
The thing is, they keep coming, as none of them are looking to see if its clear/safe to do so. Instead they are are tucked in behind the car in front and blindly following them.
Meanwhile, the sweeper is still moving towards us at the kerbside and the large gap is reducing every car that over takes.
The inevitable happens and the room runs out as a Blue 307 comes face to face with the first car in our queue.
Does he simply admit his mistake? No, he enters into a tirade of insults at the person in fronts stupidity for deliberately blocking his passages, irrespective of the fact that he was at least five cars back, when we stopped and blindly overtook.
Does he qualify? If not, why not?
Of course he qualifies! If only for the fact that he's done what a lot of people do in all walks of life now; make a mistake but cannot make it obvious to others that they have (even if they realise they've made a mistake) so they have to launch into a tirade of abuse over how it was "Your Fault".I'm behind two cars in a 30mph zone heading into town, single carriageway. There's a line of cars behind me.
A road sweeper is coming the other way and cars behind it are overtaking, so the first car on our side stops a good five car lengths away, to wait until they stop overtaking the sweeper, and give us back the right of way. We all stop and wait also.
The thing is, they keep coming, as none of them are looking to see if its clear/safe to do so. Instead they are are tucked in behind the car in front and blindly following them.
Meanwhile, the sweeper is still moving towards us at the kerbside and the large gap is reducing every car that over takes.
The inevitable happens and the room runs out as a Blue 307 comes face to face with the first car in our queue.
Does he simply admit his mistake? No, he enters into a tirade of insults at the person in fronts stupidity for deliberately blocking his passages, irrespective of the fact that he was at least five cars back, when we stopped and blindly overtook.
Does he qualify? If not, why not?
A while back I approached an obstruction on the other side of the road, a few cars kept coming without bothering to look so I just carried on. The last car which couldn't be bothered to stop was a woman who managed an amusingly Doppler-affected shout of "waaaaaaankereeerr" as I passed. Bless
I blame you for this Silverfoxx since I was defending this point on your post. lol
You are correct in this example Squishy as there are not lanes marked on this roundabout. Therefore lane discipline does not apply.
The only thing I would ask is why would anyone be in the right hand lane to go straight on? Left lane for travelling normally, right lane for overtaking and turning right.
However Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre still applies, as does indicate left after the junction before the one you intend to take.
If you think there is someone that would benefit from an indication then you should make one, having considered all the factors. In scenario two as there is not a turning right lane (therefore it is not obvious you are going right) it could be that you should indicate if someone is going to be helped by it. Just not all the time as a reflex reaction.
The difference is an advanced driver will have read the situation and will be able to tell you if they needed to indicate or not and why, instead of not assessing and observing the road and just indicating without thought, automatically. Driving on auto-pilot almost.
ETA
I might point out (again) that I have an issue with the guideline that says only indicate when someone will benefit from it as you may suddenly come across someone that would benefit and you at that point are not indicating. Of course you react and switch on the indicator but if they see you not indicating and look away, by the time they look back it can be several seconds later and this delay may cause some frustration to them. I regularly have this argument with instructors but am told that they should be observing you so any delay would be minimal. FWIW
You are correct in this example Squishy as there are not lanes marked on this roundabout. Therefore lane discipline does not apply.
The only thing I would ask is why would anyone be in the right hand lane to go straight on? Left lane for travelling normally, right lane for overtaking and turning right.
However Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre still applies, as does indicate left after the junction before the one you intend to take.
If you think there is someone that would benefit from an indication then you should make one, having considered all the factors. In scenario two as there is not a turning right lane (therefore it is not obvious you are going right) it could be that you should indicate if someone is going to be helped by it. Just not all the time as a reflex reaction.
The difference is an advanced driver will have read the situation and will be able to tell you if they needed to indicate or not and why, instead of not assessing and observing the road and just indicating without thought, automatically. Driving on auto-pilot almost.
ETA
I might point out (again) that I have an issue with the guideline that says only indicate when someone will benefit from it as you may suddenly come across someone that would benefit and you at that point are not indicating. Of course you react and switch on the indicator but if they see you not indicating and look away, by the time they look back it can be several seconds later and this delay may cause some frustration to them. I regularly have this argument with instructors but am told that they should be observing you so any delay would be minimal. FWIW
Edited by JagXJR on Saturday 21st March 11:59
Can the IAM pedantry be posted in the Advanced Motoring thread please?
It's getting rather tedious here.
ps I know Advanced Motorists will never, ever, in their entire driving lives, ever not observe another motorist / cyclist / pedestrian, but if the impossible happened and one did, I'm sure the other person would rather get some hint as to their intentions.
It's getting rather tedious here.
ps I know Advanced Motorists will never, ever, in their entire driving lives, ever not observe another motorist / cyclist / pedestrian, but if the impossible happened and one did, I'm sure the other person would rather get some hint as to their intentions.
AW111 said:
Can the IAM pedantry be posted in the Advanced Motoring thread please?
It's getting rather tedious here.
ps I know Advanced Motorists will never, ever, in their entire driving lives, ever not observe another motorist / cyclist / pedestrian, but if the impossible happened and one did, I'm sure the other person would rather get some hint as to their intentions.
+100It's getting rather tedious here.
ps I know Advanced Motorists will never, ever, in their entire driving lives, ever not observe another motorist / cyclist / pedestrian, but if the impossible happened and one did, I'm sure the other person would rather get some hint as to their intentions.
More than a few lines quoted back and forth means skipping those posts without hesitation: another form of nobberation.
People who stop in the middle of the road, blocking it to pick passengers up.
Had one last night. Couldn't even get in my own car until they moved off as they were right next to my parked car with their open doors.
I know it's only 30 seconds or so but what's wrong with pulling up out of the way?
Had one last night. Couldn't even get in my own car until they moved off as they were right next to my parked car with their open doors.
I know it's only 30 seconds or so but what's wrong with pulling up out of the way?
Brigand said:
Mandalore said:
A good one yesterday, involving a road sweeper and a queue of cars behind him, coming the othe direction.
I'm behind two cars in a 30mph zone heading into town, single carriageway. There's a line of cars behind me.
A road sweeper is coming the other way and cars behind it are overtaking, so the first car on our side stops a good five car lengths away, to wait until they stop overtaking the sweeper, and give us back the right of way. We all stop and wait also.
The thing is, they keep coming, as none of them are looking to see if its clear/safe to do so. Instead they are are tucked in behind the car in front and blindly following them.
Meanwhile, the sweeper is still moving towards us at the kerbside and the large gap is reducing every car that over takes.
The inevitable happens and the room runs out as a Blue 307 comes face to face with the first car in our queue.
Does he simply admit his mistake? No, he enters into a tirade of insults at the person in fronts stupidity for deliberately blocking his passages, irrespective of the fact that he was at least five cars back, when we stopped and blindly overtook.
Does he qualify? If not, why not?
Of course he qualifies! If only for the fact that he's done what a lot of people do in all walks of life now; make a mistake but cannot make it obvious to others that they have (even if they realise they've made a mistake) so they have to launch into a tirade of abuse over how it was "Your Fault".I'm behind two cars in a 30mph zone heading into town, single carriageway. There's a line of cars behind me.
A road sweeper is coming the other way and cars behind it are overtaking, so the first car on our side stops a good five car lengths away, to wait until they stop overtaking the sweeper, and give us back the right of way. We all stop and wait also.
The thing is, they keep coming, as none of them are looking to see if its clear/safe to do so. Instead they are are tucked in behind the car in front and blindly following them.
Meanwhile, the sweeper is still moving towards us at the kerbside and the large gap is reducing every car that over takes.
The inevitable happens and the room runs out as a Blue 307 comes face to face with the first car in our queue.
Does he simply admit his mistake? No, he enters into a tirade of insults at the person in fronts stupidity for deliberately blocking his passages, irrespective of the fact that he was at least five cars back, when we stopped and blindly overtook.
Does he qualify? If not, why not?
Example. My route home takes me through a roundabout on a single carriageway. Totally normal roundabout - four entrances/exits. Each approach divides into two lanes - the left lane signed and marked left and straight on, the right lane marked and signed right. The exits have one lane.
I was approaching the roundabout in the left lane, planning to head straight on. In the right lane was a dame in a Mini Cooper, signalling right. As we headed round the roundabout I found, just as I was turning into my exit, that Madame Mini had put on her left indicator and was headed towards my rear offside wing.
I just managed to get into my exit without being hit, but she then proceeded to tailgate me, flashing her lights, blasting her horn and clearly screaming abuse at me.
My fault of course for being in the correct lane. She was totally blameless.
matchmaker said:
This. It sometimes worries me that some (many) drivers are totally oblivious to the fact that they have made a mistake. It's always someone elses fault.
Example. My route home takes me through a roundabout on a single carriageway. Totally normal roundabout - four entrances/exits. Each approach divides into two lanes - the left lane signed and marked left and straight on, the right lane marked and signed right. The exits have one lane.
I was approaching the roundabout in the left lane, planning to head straight on. In the right lane was a dame in a Mini Cooper, signalling right. As we headed round the roundabout I found, just as I was turning into my exit, that Madame Mini had put on her left indicator and was headed towards my rear offside wing.
I just managed to get into my exit without being hit, but she then proceeded to tailgate me, flashing her lights, blasting her horn and clearly screaming abuse at me.
My fault of course for being in the correct lane. She was totally blameless.
Example. My route home takes me through a roundabout on a single carriageway. Totally normal roundabout - four entrances/exits. Each approach divides into two lanes - the left lane signed and marked left and straight on, the right lane marked and signed right. The exits have one lane.
I was approaching the roundabout in the left lane, planning to head straight on. In the right lane was a dame in a Mini Cooper, signalling right. As we headed round the roundabout I found, just as I was turning into my exit, that Madame Mini had put on her left indicator and was headed towards my rear offside wing.
I just managed to get into my exit without being hit, but she then proceeded to tailgate me, flashing her lights, blasting her horn and clearly screaming abuse at me.
My fault of course for being in the correct lane. She was totally blameless.
JagXJR said:
I cannot believe I am on a motoring enthusiast's forum having to explain how to correctly drive around a roundabout FFS!
I can only think that you are winding me up!
For those that are ACTUALLY serious, here goes.
Before we start, remember - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre .
Approaching the roundabout in the left lane wanting to turn right (you all know you travel on the left in the UK unless overtaking or are turning right I hope?).
Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to move to the right-hand lane safely.
You are now in the right hand lane (the correct one for turning right) approaching the roundabout in the correct lane to turn right, hence no need to leave your indicator on.
Join the roundabout in the correct lane to turn right. Since traffic can legally join the roundabout in the left hand lane (give way to traffic in the lane you wish to join not give way to all traffic on the roundabout) nobody SHOULD pull out in front of you (unless they are knobs and you should be watching for this possibility).
Carry on around the roundabout until you pass the exit before the one that you want, at this stage you need to change lane to the correct lane for turning left (not going to call them outside or inside lanes due to the pedants complaining). Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to move to the left lane safely. If there are vehicles in the left lane as you are changing lane you have to give way (NOT STOP on the roundabout as some muppets do) or carry on round again if you cannot safely change lane.
in the left hand lane as you want the next exit you follow "Mirror Signal Manoeuvre" to make the left turn off the roundabout.
If you are still struggling, think of it like the lanes on a dual-carriageway for those that are familiar with lane discipline. Left for travelling normally, right for overtaking or turning right. Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to change from one to the other.
Advanced driving is NOT about going faster/superior to anyone else, it is about making adequate progress safely. That's why some insurance companies give discounts to those members.
If you are in a right hand only lane your intent should be abundantly clear. Please explain your thought process if it isn't and I'll help YOU work it out!
Observation! If you can't see the markings on the road there is another phrase that comes to mind, "should have gone to Specsavers"
Has this answered your questions Hol, FraMac et al?
I went to read your post but stopped when I got to the 'mirror signal manouvre' as that's for learners lol, I can only think that you are winding me up!
For those that are ACTUALLY serious, here goes.
Before we start, remember - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre .
Approaching the roundabout in the left lane wanting to turn right (you all know you travel on the left in the UK unless overtaking or are turning right I hope?).
Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to move to the right-hand lane safely.
You are now in the right hand lane (the correct one for turning right) approaching the roundabout in the correct lane to turn right, hence no need to leave your indicator on.
Join the roundabout in the correct lane to turn right. Since traffic can legally join the roundabout in the left hand lane (give way to traffic in the lane you wish to join not give way to all traffic on the roundabout) nobody SHOULD pull out in front of you (unless they are knobs and you should be watching for this possibility).
Carry on around the roundabout until you pass the exit before the one that you want, at this stage you need to change lane to the correct lane for turning left (not going to call them outside or inside lanes due to the pedants complaining). Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to move to the left lane safely. If there are vehicles in the left lane as you are changing lane you have to give way (NOT STOP on the roundabout as some muppets do) or carry on round again if you cannot safely change lane.
in the left hand lane as you want the next exit you follow "Mirror Signal Manoeuvre" to make the left turn off the roundabout.
If you are still struggling, think of it like the lanes on a dual-carriageway for those that are familiar with lane discipline. Left for travelling normally, right for overtaking or turning right. Mirror Signal Manoeuvre to change from one to the other.
Advanced driving is NOT about going faster/superior to anyone else, it is about making adequate progress safely. That's why some insurance companies give discounts to those members.
If you are in a right hand only lane your intent should be abundantly clear. Please explain your thought process if it isn't and I'll help YOU work it out!
Observation! If you can't see the markings on the road there is another phrase that comes to mind, "should have gone to Specsavers"
Has this answered your questions Hol, FraMac et al?
If there was one thing I could remove from the basic L test it would be mirror signal manouvre. It's a poor system IMHO and I've seen it cause far too many accidents. Even the next step in driver training of mirror signal mirror manouvre is a whole lot safer
Of course, anything is better than the lazy driver's 'manoeuvre, then signal, no mirrors'.
JagXJR said:
You are correct in this example Squishy as there are not lanes marked on this roundabout. Therefore lane discipline does not apply.
The only thing I would ask is why would anyone be in the right hand lane to go straight on? Left lane for travelling normally, right lane for overtaking and turning right.
I can see what you're saying, and - in principle - I would agree. But, in the actual "real world", 99.95% of other drivers are ignorant moronic knobs, who will not obey proper lane discipline on a roundabout (or anywhere else), and who will simply assume that you're not going to carry on around the roundabout and, therefore, will pull out in front of you.The only thing I would ask is why would anyone be in the right hand lane to go straight on? Left lane for travelling normally, right lane for overtaking and turning right.
So, I kind of agree with some of those who have opposed you - it rarely does any harm to indicate your intentions (unless you drive one of those Volvos with the indicators wired up the wrong way around).
FWIW, there are two circumstances where I won't indicate - 1, if it's bleeding obvious that no-one's around who will benefit, or 2, if I'm turning left near my house on a particular 4-way junction where, if I indicate in advance, the people coming in the opposite direction & turning right across the junction would end up with right of way. Knobbish behaviour? Sure is, but it gets me home faster...
JagXJR
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Thanks for standing in my corner, i would have entered into it but the subject doesnt want to go away
Anyway three tonight
The Merc on the A40 who apart from going at warp speed weaved in and out of the traffic all to turn off at the Target roundabout
The poor old soul on the M25 who was in the M4 lane at about 40, Me and another guy tucked behind them and they duly went for the M4 West lane, until about 150yds into it when they wanted the M4 East despite the gut in front of me going along in it. I just waited for them to get on the M4 no hassle
The nutter in the Renault people carrier, approaching the Lego roundabout who was in the RH marked lane for Legoland on the A322 who steamed past me and the chap in front ( both in the LH lane for carrying on the A322) and tried to straightline in cutting me up and nearly tsking the back of the other guy. He then floored it and vanished
Why do they do it?
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Thanks for standing in my corner, i would have entered into it but the subject doesnt want to go away
Anyway three tonight
The Merc on the A40 who apart from going at warp speed weaved in and out of the traffic all to turn off at the Target roundabout
The poor old soul on the M25 who was in the M4 lane at about 40, Me and another guy tucked behind them and they duly went for the M4 West lane, until about 150yds into it when they wanted the M4 East despite the gut in front of me going along in it. I just waited for them to get on the M4 no hassle
The nutter in the Renault people carrier, approaching the Lego roundabout who was in the RH marked lane for Legoland on the A322 who steamed past me and the chap in front ( both in the LH lane for carrying on the A322) and tried to straightline in cutting me up and nearly tsking the back of the other guy. He then floored it and vanished
Why do they do it?
The bloke in the Jag today who came onto the roundabout directly opposite me. I know the right hand lane he approached in is painted with a straight ahead and a right turn arrow.
As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
AndyDubbya said:
The bloke in the Jag today who came onto the roundabout directly opposite me. I know the right hand lane he approached in is painted with a straight ahead and a right turn arrow.
As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
The jowly, bearded, fat Walter Mitty type who tried to overtake me last night as I approached a junction wanting to turn right myself...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/a287+road/@51...
I should point out that I was on a bicycle at the time, and had just been passed by a Mini who'd taken a bit of a risk, but Walt in his Peugeot REALLY took the piss. So much so that a car which turned left off the A287 had a pretty big shock when they were face with Capt. Birdseye on the 'wrong' side of the road in his 307.
There was a VERY angry-sounding blast of this driver's horn, and Walt cut right in toward me, but I'd scooted back to the nearside edge of the lane, having seen the conflict looming. What made it worse was the fact that Walt had beeped his horn at me as he approached, so he'd obviously seen me, and could not roll out the 'SMIDSY' excuse.
Sorry, f
knuts, but I did a full "chin on shoulder" life saver, and there was plenty of space for me to move toward the crown of the road in order to (Correctly, FFS!!!) position for my right turn. Don't presume that by attempting to bully me with your weak and feeble 'tooting' that I'll magically de-materialise and reappear behind you. And for the record, I was fully lit, with two rear lights (one a "visible from Mars" Bontrager 'Flare 3', claimed to be visible from 1.2km away)...
...and a bright yellow 'Luminite' jacket which is covered in super-reflective patches...
So anyway, he has to wait because the Mini hasn't turned out onto the A287 yet, so I knock on his window. The gormless fecker is sat there in his Walt costume, white 'pilot' shirt, epaulettes with rank slides on them, and full-fat sea captain's beard, in his late 50s at least - this dude just has to be a Sea-Cadet 'officer' (and he does have the air of a 'Rolf' about him
). I ask him, through his closed window, if he actually has a driving license. No response, just a gormless look, like he's entirely surprised to see me. I ask if he has a copy of the Highway Code, too. But by now the Mini has moved off, and he's so desperate to follow that he very nearly pulls out in front of the traffic coming from the left on the 50mph limited 'A' road, stopping with both front wheels over the Give Way line.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/a287+road/@51...
I should point out that I was on a bicycle at the time, and had just been passed by a Mini who'd taken a bit of a risk, but Walt in his Peugeot REALLY took the piss. So much so that a car which turned left off the A287 had a pretty big shock when they were face with Capt. Birdseye on the 'wrong' side of the road in his 307.
There was a VERY angry-sounding blast of this driver's horn, and Walt cut right in toward me, but I'd scooted back to the nearside edge of the lane, having seen the conflict looming. What made it worse was the fact that Walt had beeped his horn at me as he approached, so he'd obviously seen me, and could not roll out the 'SMIDSY' excuse.
Sorry, f
knuts, but I did a full "chin on shoulder" life saver, and there was plenty of space for me to move toward the crown of the road in order to (Correctly, FFS!!!) position for my right turn. Don't presume that by attempting to bully me with your weak and feeble 'tooting' that I'll magically de-materialise and reappear behind you. And for the record, I was fully lit, with two rear lights (one a "visible from Mars" Bontrager 'Flare 3', claimed to be visible from 1.2km away)......and a bright yellow 'Luminite' jacket which is covered in super-reflective patches...
So anyway, he has to wait because the Mini hasn't turned out onto the A287 yet, so I knock on his window. The gormless fecker is sat there in his Walt costume, white 'pilot' shirt, epaulettes with rank slides on them, and full-fat sea captain's beard, in his late 50s at least - this dude just has to be a Sea-Cadet 'officer' (and he does have the air of a 'Rolf' about him
). I ask him, through his closed window, if he actually has a driving license. No response, just a gormless look, like he's entirely surprised to see me. I ask if he has a copy of the Highway Code, too. But by now the Mini has moved off, and he's so desperate to follow that he very nearly pulls out in front of the traffic coming from the left on the 50mph limited 'A' road, stopping with both front wheels over the Give Way line. Edited by yellowjack on Saturday 21st March 22:48
RSteve said:
Short one last night,
Was followed out of Leeds on the M621 last night by an Audi A4. Both headlight bulbs out as well as one sidelight, so fog lights to the rescue. Surely replacing 3 bulbs isn't that hard?
Have just seen car with nearside headlamp and offside fog light on. Nowt else illuminated on the front.Was followed out of Leeds on the M621 last night by an Audi A4. Both headlight bulbs out as well as one sidelight, so fog lights to the rescue. Surely replacing 3 bulbs isn't that hard?
Just when do these cretins feel it necessary to replace a few bulbs?
JagXJR said:
Europa1 said:
Jim AK said:
JagXJR said:
On the contrary, advanced motorists train theirselves to be aware of all the environment, that is why they indicate when necessary, since they have used observation to see if anyone would benefit or not. So they survey the whole world instead of the normal drivers partial view of it.
It is not about elitism, it is about driving safely and keeping others safe as well as yourself.
Perhaps some on here may benefit from a few sessions with an advanced instructor.
No need to be rude or belittle anyone who wants to improve their driving skills, but then that seems to be the PH way these days
Hmmm. I think I would rather encounter Yellowjack than you then.It is not about elitism, it is about driving safely and keeping others safe as well as yourself.
Perhaps some on here may benefit from a few sessions with an advanced instructor.
No need to be rude or belittle anyone who wants to improve their driving skills, but then that seems to be the PH way these days
I didn't realise 'Institutists' have some sort of Clairvoyant mode that enables them to know what everyone else will do.
I've taken a Rolls Royce Chauffeur course & been made to take a Road Awareness course in the past & both have said signalling intentions is paramount.
It's a guess, but surely it's why cars have indicators & why they are free to use!
Yes I remember that one, was quite funny!
I notice that the same knobs are now giving other people on there a hard time for expressing similar views on bad riding.
Perhaps the forum name needs to be changed to the "defend bad driving/riding habits forum"?
If you wanted to open up that discussion again, why not do it on the thread where you were originally discussing it, rather than having a little dig on here?
The local Peugeot dealership who's response to what is obviously a boost control valve issue on my stepdaughters RCZ was "we dont know what it is but we've steam cleaned the engine, fitted new spark plugs oh and here's a bill for £400 for two new tyres".
Drives off and fault is still there, complete incompetence after having the car for the best part of a fortnight as well.
Drives off and fault is still there, complete incompetence after having the car for the best part of a fortnight as well.
AndyDubbya said:
The bloke in the Jag today who came onto the roundabout directly opposite me. I know the right hand lane he approached in is painted with a straight ahead and a right turn arrow.
As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
Ha ha.As he wasn't indicating, I had no idea if he was an advanced driver obviously turning right, or an average driver going straight on (down the road I was on) without indicating left to show he was exiting.
Luckily I'm a cautious type, so I waited as he drove across my front, but if I hadn't been, I could've easily made a wrong assumption, pulled out and crashed into him.
If only he'd indicated right as he was going round the roundabout, it would've been much safer for everybody. Hey ho.
I'm sure if he was an advanced driver he would have been prepared for a rookie move
If not, well it's his lookout
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