Pagani TG lap "cheating"?

[LuS1fer]

Seems that it used a set of hand-cut tyres with the onbjective of setting a fast lap time while claiming to be running P Zero Corsas.

Cheating?

http://jalopnik.com/pagani-admits-they-used-two-se...

[Krikkit]

Street-legal, but cut slicks - suppose it depends what the TG people are allowing on the board in the end.

Personally I think it should be road-spec (i.e. what it'd be delivered with for pootling around London) or not on the board.

[Bear Phils]

I thought the time it posted was strangely fast

[rev-erend]

Guess it gives them bragging rights

[Chris Stott]

Krikkit said:

Personally I think it should be road-spec (i.e. what it'd be delivered with for pootling around London) or not on the board.

Agree.. should be on the tyres it ships to the customer on.

[Monty Python]

The tyres on the Atom V8 aren't exactly well endowed in the tread department either....go figure

[300bhp/ton]

Krikkit said:

Street-legal, but cut slicks - suppose it depends what the TG people are allowing on the board in the end.

Personally I think it should be road-spec (i.e. what it'd be delivered with for pootling around London) or not on the board.

Cut slicks are not street legal in the UK though.

[jammy_basturd]

The cars are timed by a man with a stopwatch. The times aren't that accurate anyway!

[Krikkit]

300bhp/ton said:

Krikkit said:

Street-legal, but cut slicks - suppose it depends what the TG people are allowing on the board in the end.

Personally I think it should be road-spec (i.e. what it'd be delivered with for pootling around London) or not on the board.

Cut slicks are not street legal in the UK though.

Orly? Definitely strike it from the board then! I seem to remember the Atoms using R888's/A048's etc, but they're definitely road legal.

[Monty Python]

300bhp/ton said:

Cut slicks are not street legal in the UK though.

Bottom of the article:

"The P-Zero "Trofeo" used on the Huayra is a modified version of the slick used on the Zonda R. That explains the nomenclature, branding, tread pattern, and wear indicators.

Pagani told me the tires are street legal, but you don't want to use them in heavy rain. That means they're super close to the edge of legality."

[vincegail]

These are cut racingslicks. Definitely not roadlegal. Semi-slicks like the Toyo R888 are track tyres, roadlegal but a way off of full blown racing slicks. Cutting a few threads in them doesn't make them roadlegal. Therefore it was, imo, cheating and the time should be removed from the board.

[Bear Phils]

Monty Python said:

The tyres on the Atom V8 aren't exactly well endowed in the tread department either....go figure

That's what the car is supplied with though. The cut slicks on the Pagani do not come with the car.

[Gad-Westy]

Krikkit said:

Orly? Definitely strike it from the board then! I seem to remember the Atoms using R888's/A048's etc, but they're definitely road legal.

By the strictest definition, I don't think those are cut slicks in the sense that they're moulded that way rather than modified after moulding. Not sure if there is a legal distinction though.

[300bhp/ton]

Monty Python said:

300bhp/ton said:

Cut slicks are not street legal in the UK though.

Bottom of the article:

"The P-Zero "Trofeo" used on the Huayra is a modified version of the slick used on the Zonda R. That explains the nomenclature, branding, tread pattern, and wear indicators.

Pagani told me the tires are street legal, but you don't want to use them in heavy rain. That means they're super close to the edge of legality."

I'll be honest and say I know nothing about these tyres. However I'm lead to believe that cutting/recutting of any tyre in the UK makes it illegal for road use. Hence why you can't get tyres siped, despite it being common place in the USA.

[soad]

Pagani probably isn't the first one to lap it on race-derived tires...

[Munter]

jammy_basturd said:

The times aren't that accurate anyway!

That would be my point. Different days the track will be in quite different states anyway. Particularly after all the years they have been doing times. The surface will either be more weathered or repaired etc etc. Not to mention different drivers.

So specific places on the board are not worth worrying about. All it really says is that it's quite a quick car if it's up that end of the board.

[rev-erend]

Pretty sure McLaren did the same .. changed to a different type of tyre and shaved 2 seconds off the lap time.

[jammy_basturd]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

one would hope -whether struck from the board at TG or not - that the TG lot / JC state this out on the next episode(s) as it does seem a 'little' unfair.

It would detract from the "entertainment" factor, therefore the majority will never get to hear of any of this.

[FisiP1]

The cars at the top are so fast and technical in every other way, who cares? It isn't as though Ferrari or McLaren are going to be at a disadvantage, they'll all be at it.

[J4CKO]

That is my order cancelled then !