New 'Dutch-style' cycle roundabouts
Discussion
clarkey540i said:
I think it's a little different here. In mainland Europe, the car doesn't seem to have quite the same 'symbol of success' stigma attached to it. Certainly in France and Spain, they are mostly used for just getting around, but even someone not interested in cars in the UK wants a 'posh' one.
There may be some truth in that.I don't regard the UK 'status symbol' culture (not followed by everybody, of course) as a good thing.
Sitting in a traffic jam in a German saloon (or SUV), surrounded by others in similar vehicles wouldn't make me feel particularly good, especially if I wasn't the sort of person who bought the car because I enjoyed the driving experience when I got out onto the open road (many people rarely going beyond dual-carriageways and suburbia).
As an enthusiast of driving, motorbiking (and car/bike tinkering) and cycling, I derive little pleasure from urban driving and don't really care what strangers or my neighbours think about me driving a Ford.
Cycling makes much more sense for many journeys. When people realise this (possibly when fuel reaches £2/litre) then there may be a large increase in cycling -and walking. If there is already a good cycling infrastructure in place this will help.
The Times: How Copenhagen passed its cycling proficiency test — and what the Danes can teach us
MC Bodge said:
There may be some truth in that.
I don't regard the UK 'status symbol' culture (not followed by everybody, of course) as a good thing.
Sitting in a traffic jam in a German saloon (or SUV), surrounded by others in similar vehicles wouldn't make me feel particularly good, especially if I wasn't the sort of person who bought the car because I enjoyed the driving experience when I got out onto the open road (many people rarely going beyond dual-carriageways and suburbia).
As an enthusiast of driving, motorbiking (and car/bike tinkering) and cycling, I derive little pleasure from urban driving and don't really care what strangers or my neighbours think about me driving a Ford.
Cycling makes much more sense for many journeys. When people realise this (possibly when fuel reaches £2/litre) then there may be a large increase in cycling -and walking. If there is already a good cycling infrastructure in place this will help.
The Times: How Copenhagen passed its cycling proficiency test — and what the Danes can teach us
As I alluded to earlier in the thread I think the attitude of many British cyclists is part of the reason car drivers 'victimise' them.I don't regard the UK 'status symbol' culture (not followed by everybody, of course) as a good thing.
Sitting in a traffic jam in a German saloon (or SUV), surrounded by others in similar vehicles wouldn't make me feel particularly good, especially if I wasn't the sort of person who bought the car because I enjoyed the driving experience when I got out onto the open road (many people rarely going beyond dual-carriageways and suburbia).
As an enthusiast of driving, motorbiking (and car/bike tinkering) and cycling, I derive little pleasure from urban driving and don't really care what strangers or my neighbours think about me driving a Ford.
Cycling makes much more sense for many journeys. When people realise this (possibly when fuel reaches £2/litre) then there may be a large increase in cycling -and walking. If there is already a good cycling infrastructure in place this will help.
The Times: How Copenhagen passed its cycling proficiency test — and what the Danes can teach us
Until you lose the victim and queuing mentality of many retards in the UK then nothing will change.
Cycling is an extremely efficient mode of urban transport. So much so that I dared to carry on using it in far more hostile environments than those offered in the UK- Paris and Houston spring to mind as particularly hazardous..
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