RE: Secret Road Tax Hits Thousands
Discussion
Have now written as follows to Greedy Gordon:
"Dear Prime Minister,
You current taxation regime is unfairly biased against motorists on a modest income. In particular, the Chancellor's outrageous retrospective application of VED bands to all post-2001 vehicles shows just how out of touch your government is with the reality of life.
Under your government, my costs are set to rise next year by over 10 x the rate of inflation due to the rising cost of petrol, associated tax and tax-on-tax, as well as this unjust 100%+ rise in VED.
I have already written to my local MP to ask for his support; I now write to you to ask you to scrap the budget proposals and proposed fuel escalator tax by:
1. Retaining the pre-budget VED banding.
2. Retaining the exemption for pre-2006 vehicles.
3. Abandoning any thought of the 2p tax rise.
If you fail to take swift action over this, I predict that the loss of public confidence in your government will increase exponentially."
"Dear Prime Minister,
You current taxation regime is unfairly biased against motorists on a modest income. In particular, the Chancellor's outrageous retrospective application of VED bands to all post-2001 vehicles shows just how out of touch your government is with the reality of life.
Under your government, my costs are set to rise next year by over 10 x the rate of inflation due to the rising cost of petrol, associated tax and tax-on-tax, as well as this unjust 100%+ rise in VED.
I have already written to my local MP to ask for his support; I now write to you to ask you to scrap the budget proposals and proposed fuel escalator tax by:
1. Retaining the pre-budget VED banding.
2. Retaining the exemption for pre-2006 vehicles.
3. Abandoning any thought of the 2p tax rise.
If you fail to take swift action over this, I predict that the loss of public confidence in your government will increase exponentially."
Edited by nickwilcock on Monday 5th May 11:24
add at the bottom that you're mates with 1.5m forum users who are eagerly anticipating his response and will be voting accordingly at the next general election.
In fact, send the same letter to Cameron saying your 1.5m mates will vote for him if he does x, y & z.
Post the responses.
:sits & waits patiently:
In fact, send the same letter to Cameron saying your 1.5m mates will vote for him if he does x, y & z.
Post the responses.
:sits & waits patiently:
Why are none of you guys (quite justifiably) moaning about this explaining in your letters and petitions how applying it retrospectively has ZERO environmental credentials?
For existing cars, already purchased, if somebody decides to no longer run a 2004 BMW 330i becuase of the tax and move to an efficient car, what happens to his 330i? Is it scrapped? No - somebody else buys and runs it. So the net effect on the environment is nothing, nil, nada, nought.
It works for new cars but it doesn't work for existing cars. Rather than crying 'but its lots of money' THIS is the point people should be making!
For existing cars, already purchased, if somebody decides to no longer run a 2004 BMW 330i becuase of the tax and move to an efficient car, what happens to his 330i? Is it scrapped? No - somebody else buys and runs it. So the net effect on the environment is nothing, nil, nada, nought.
It works for new cars but it doesn't work for existing cars. Rather than crying 'but its lots of money' THIS is the point people should be making!
[TW]Fox said:
Why are none of you guys (quite justifiably) moaning about this explaining in your letters and petitions how applying it retrospectively has ZERO environmental credentials?
For existing cars, already purchased, if somebody decides to no longer run a 2004 BMW 330i becuase of the tax and move to an efficient car, what happens to his 330i? Is it scrapped? No - somebody else buys and runs it. So the net effect on the environment is nothing, nil, nada, nought.
It works for new cars but it doesn't work for existing cars. Rather than crying 'but its lots of money' THIS is the point people should be making!
Email the PM as well, I have, the more of us that do it the better.For existing cars, already purchased, if somebody decides to no longer run a 2004 BMW 330i becuase of the tax and move to an efficient car, what happens to his 330i? Is it scrapped? No - somebody else buys and runs it. So the net effect on the environment is nothing, nil, nada, nought.
It works for new cars but it doesn't work for existing cars. Rather than crying 'but its lots of money' THIS is the point people should be making!
You never know he might actually change it.
Personally I think even if he does change it he will just stelth tax us somewhere else to get it back, but it's got to be worth a try.
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page821.asp
And there was I, hoping the value of my rare and massively undervalued MG ZT400 would stay reasonable.... 
Nobody will touch my car with a bargepole apart from the wealthy who don't give a toss. Whatever the top tax band is, that's where my 'sensible family saloon' will be....
Well since I don't do a lot of miles, and my petrol costs aren't stupid (I only get 8-14 mpg when I drive but the GF gets 28 out of it, but only 5000 miles a year isn't too expensive), I shall keep the car and drive like a
everywhere. Spinning wheels, smoking rubber, as much CO2 and unburnt fuel as possible, noisy supercharged V8 
And sit there smug in the FACT that all the people financially forced to sell their current cars, at a massive loss to buy some 'green' gadgeted car that scrapes in a lower tax bracket, are raping the environment and it's ME that's doing the planet a favour.
Scrapping old cars and building new ones (especially hybrids with aluminium bodies and chemical batteries - two of the most polluting industrial processes on Earth) is raping the planet. Simple as that.
Hopefully theses will get voted out - I'm sure that the vote will go against them, but whether they rig the poll with regional boundary changes, or some electronic or even paper trickery (worked for Bush in the USA), remains to be seen. There's no democracy in this country, so expect electoral fraud by Labour. They will do anything to remain in power.
The big problem is that there were a reasonable number of people with enough financial freedom to actually challenge the government - in other words, to ignore their antisocial engineering - and manage to continue their standard of living because they had enough money to do so. Labour saw that - and put a stop to it. Over the last 7 years my standard of living has dropped precipitously, and I'm a highly educated, highly experienced consultant in the City (everything is relative, of course... I'm not claiming I'm eating baked beans etc.) who can earn more money by working more days. For fixed salaries it will be even worse. As a result who can honestly say 'fk off' to the government now without seriously having to make changes elsewhere?
And that's exactly what they want - a nation poor enough to control. Once people get wealthy, they have choice. And choice is what Labour (and all socialist / authoritarian regimes) abhor. Britain is still rich, but it's concentrated more in the hands of the few. The middle classes are getting raped because a wealthy middle class is something an authoritarian government are very scared of. Funny how they don't give a st about the rampant crime amongst the people who have nothing and no education (i.e. the underclass) - they don't pose a threat to the 'professional politicians' (and I use 'professional' with a snarled lip and a virtual spit) and their sheltered existence. Chav violence only troubles the middle classes, who are the government's enemy anyway.
Until a few years ago, I was a staunch upholder of electoral law - I'm a libertarian so certain authoritarian laws have been somewhat ignored in my lifetime, but I always believed in democracy, and always believed that the country should vote for its government. I always thought revolutions, coups d'état and violent protest / direct action were wrong. Whilst my teenage mates in the West Country joined anti-road-building protests, anti-fox-hunting protests, any excuse for a fight with the 'authorities' - I fiercely argued the principle of peaceful democracy.
Now, I feel the only solution is some hero who's willing to put a bullet in the heads of the Labour leaders (and the eminences grises who engineer this type of politics).
It's not about road tax any more - road tax is merely the easiest way to hit the law-abiding middle classes - it's now clear what the intention of the government is regarding how they want British society to look. Did you vote for that? I sure as fk never did.
Nobody will touch my car with a bargepole apart from the wealthy who don't give a toss. Whatever the top tax band is, that's where my 'sensible family saloon' will be....
Well since I don't do a lot of miles, and my petrol costs aren't stupid (I only get 8-14 mpg when I drive but the GF gets 28 out of it, but only 5000 miles a year isn't too expensive), I shall keep the car and drive like a
everywhere. Spinning wheels, smoking rubber, as much CO2 and unburnt fuel as possible, noisy supercharged V8 And sit there smug in the FACT that all the people financially forced to sell their current cars, at a massive loss to buy some 'green' gadgeted car that scrapes in a lower tax bracket, are raping the environment and it's ME that's doing the planet a favour.
Scrapping old cars and building new ones (especially hybrids with aluminium bodies and chemical batteries - two of the most polluting industrial processes on Earth) is raping the planet. Simple as that.
Hopefully these
s will get voted out - I'm sure that the vote will go against them, but whether they rig the poll with regional boundary changes, or some electronic or even paper trickery (worked for Bush in the USA), remains to be seen. There's no democracy in this country, so expect electoral fraud by Labour. They will do anything to remain in power.The big problem is that there were a reasonable number of people with enough financial freedom to actually challenge the government - in other words, to ignore their antisocial engineering - and manage to continue their standard of living because they had enough money to do so. Labour saw that - and put a stop to it. Over the last 7 years my standard of living has dropped precipitously, and I'm a highly educated, highly experienced consultant in the City (everything is relative, of course... I'm not claiming I'm eating baked beans etc.) who can earn more money by working more days. For fixed salaries it will be even worse. As a result who can honestly say 'f
k off' to the government now without seriously having to make changes elsewhere?And that's exactly what they want - a nation poor enough to control. Once people get wealthy, they have choice. And choice is what Labour (and all socialist / authoritarian regimes) abhor. Britain is still rich, but it's concentrated more in the hands of the few. The middle classes are getting raped because a wealthy middle class is something an authoritarian government are very scared of. Funny how they don't give a s
t about the rampant crime amongst the people who have nothing and no education (i.e. the underclass) - they don't pose a threat to the 'professional politicians' (and I use 'professional' with a snarled lip and a virtual spit) and their sheltered existence. Chav violence only troubles the middle classes, who are the government's enemy anyway.Until a few years ago, I was a staunch upholder of electoral law - I'm a libertarian so certain authoritarian laws have been somewhat ignored in my lifetime, but I always believed in democracy, and always believed that the country should vote for its government. I always thought revolutions, coups d'état and violent protest / direct action were wrong. Whilst my teenage mates in the West Country joined anti-road-building protests, anti-fox-hunting protests, any excuse for a fight with the 'authorities' - I fiercely argued the principle of peaceful democracy.
Now, I feel the only solution is some hero who's willing to put a bullet in the heads of the Labour leaders (and the eminences grises who engineer this type of politics).
It's not about road tax any more - road tax is merely the easiest way to hit the law-abiding middle classes - it's now clear what the intention of the government is regarding how they want British society to look. Did you vote for that? I sure as f
k never did.
From Bernie B
This is all about tax, and nothing else! A friend recently wrote to the Min. of Transport and asked what the yearly income to the govt. was from the Road Improve.... sorry, The Road Tax was, and how much of that was spent on the roads. (A better question may have included the phrase 'without budgeting in things like:- Speed camera costs, unmarked cars, special speed sensing gantry costs, etc.') Anyway, the reply was that at that time, about 9 months ago the yearly tax figure was £50 billion, and the yearly expenditure, although the ministry could only supply a figure for the last 2 years of £2.5 billion! Therefore only about 2.5% of The Road Tax is spent yearly on the roads! Now, factoring in the explosion of the NEW Taxes, one could be looking at probably more than £100 billion taken as Road Tax, with an annual spend on the roads of 1.25%! Good 'er init?
This is all about tax, and nothing else! A friend recently wrote to the Min. of Transport and asked what the yearly income to the govt. was from the Road Improve.... sorry, The Road Tax was, and how much of that was spent on the roads. (A better question may have included the phrase 'without budgeting in things like:- Speed camera costs, unmarked cars, special speed sensing gantry costs, etc.') Anyway, the reply was that at that time, about 9 months ago the yearly tax figure was £50 billion, and the yearly expenditure, although the ministry could only supply a figure for the last 2 years of £2.5 billion! Therefore only about 2.5% of The Road Tax is spent yearly on the roads! Now, factoring in the explosion of the NEW Taxes, one could be looking at probably more than £100 billion taken as Road Tax, with an annual spend on the roads of 1.25%! Good 'er init?
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