Go-karter put thier hand in front of engine - why?

Go-karter put thier hand in front of engine - why?

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Jonny_

4,144 posts

209 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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If this is such a problem, are there any solutions other than hand over intake?


e.g. some sort of valve and governor arrangement that, on detecting the combination of high rpm and closed throttle, allows extra oil/fuel mix into the intake (i.e. over and above what little the idle jet would provide) until either the engine speed drops or the throttle is reopened.

Such a thing available, or ruled out by cost/complexity/Karting regs?

dtmpower

3,972 posts

247 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Jonny_ said:
If this is such a problem, are there any solutions other than hand over intake?


e.g. some sort of valve and governor arrangement that, on detecting the combination of high rpm and closed throttle, allows extra oil/fuel mix into the intake (i.e. over and above what little the idle jet would provide) until either the engine speed drops or the throttle is reopened.

Such a thing available, or ruled out by cost/complexity/Karting regs?
The rotax engine in my RS125 had an oil pump with throttle compensation, but then it had a seperate oil tank. Most karts are premixed I would guess.

eldar

21,872 posts

198 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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dtmpower said:
The rotax engine in my RS125 had an oil pump with throttle compensation, but then it had a seperate oil tank. Most karts are premixed I would guess.
I had a Suzuki 2 stroke bike years ago - straight petrol in one tank, another one for oil. Bit like an RX8 smile

Maty

1,233 posts

215 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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I used to race TKM's and the guy who taught me to do that because he claimed it gave you a boost when you went back on the gas, I wasn't convinced!

At 13 years old I though I just thought it was a cool thing to do when hammering it into a corner!

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

176 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Jonny_ said:
If this is such a problem, are there any solutions other than hand over intake?


e.g. some sort of valve and governor arrangement that, on detecting the combination of high rpm and closed throttle, allows extra oil/fuel mix into the intake (i.e. over and above what little the idle jet would provide) until either the engine speed drops or the throttle is reopened.

Such a thing available, or ruled out by cost/complexity/Karting regs?
Old two stroke Saabs had a freewheel so that they didn't run dry when you were off the throttle. I guess fitting one of these would cock up the instant driveline response you need in a racing kart though.

HowMuchLonger

3,007 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Dracoro said:
Dracoro said:
Dracoro said:
HowMuchLonger said:
littleredrooster said:
MrBig said:
Been trying to decide whether to register on here or not for some years now, but thought I would bite the bullet to answer this question.

The theory I was taught when I started racing karts is thus:

Its a 2 stroke engine, so relies on the fuel for lubrication. When braking for a corner, you come off the throttle which shuts down the fuel (and therefore oil) supply, so you choke the engine to give it some oil while off the throttle. I don't know if it makes any difference to power coming out of the corner. I certainly don't recall it being any slower when I forgot to to it!
At last we have a winner!!

Thank you - saved me typing it.
No it didn't. You retyped everything he said in order to do the quote.
Fookin' hell, took me ages to type up the above to quote biggrin I got everything 100% though, no typo's - took some proof reading I can tell you!!

If only there were quote buttons to save time, or even something newfangled like a "copy/paste" feature within operating systems.
Oh gawd, I've gone and typed this ALL up AGAIN. phew.
Getting the hang of this now, can type really quickly.
Sometimes I do it for practice.

TITWONK

530 posts

169 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Guys can I ask, how are you drawing the boxes around those quotes?

Edited by TITWONK on Thursday 11th July 22:34

Dracoro

8,705 posts

247 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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I have a whole pile of vertical and horizontal lines on my desk. I join then all together to make boxes.

TITWONK

530 posts

169 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Dracoro said:
I have a whole pile of vertical and horizontal lines on my desk. I join then all together to make boxes.
Not any more you ain't! Stole um smile

danjama

5,728 posts

144 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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TITWONK said:
Guys can I ask, how are you drawing the boxes around those quotes?

Edited by TITWONK on Thursday 11th July 22:34
ms paint rolleyes

y2blade

56,158 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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MrBig said:
Been trying to decide whether to register on here or not for some years now, but thought I would bite the bullet to answer this question.

The theory I was taught when I started racing karts is thus:

Its a 2 stroke engine, so relies on the fuel for lubrication. When braking for a corner, you come off the throttle which shuts down the fuel (and therefore oil) supply, so you choke the engine to give it some oil while off the throttle. I don't know if it makes any difference to power coming out of the corner. I certainly don't recall it being any slower when I forgot to to it!
This 100% right^^^^ and welcome to PH.


pingu393

7,944 posts

207 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Do you keep the throttle open (to provide fuel for lubrication), but close the air flow with your hand to starve air and slow down?

I've only been karting with 4-strokes and saw the 2-strokers doing this and didn't know why.

HowMuchLonger

3,007 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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danjama said:
ms paint rolleyes
I have a floppy with some clip-art on it. Had been using the disk with rectangles for the quote boxes.

FiF

44,299 posts

253 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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danjama said:
TITWONK said:
Guys can I ask, how are you drawing the boxes around those quotes?

Edited by TITWONK on Thursday 11th July 22:34
ms paint rolleyes
How do you get such straight lines? When I draw anything on MS paint it always ends up looking like a giant willy.