RE: Toyota Supra Mk IV celebrates 20 years

[Marc p]

Zircon said:

Supra Mk4's are lovely - in manual spec.

My big problem with them is their size. They are like a barge, great in a straight line but murdered by RX7's and MR2 Rev3 Turbo's up to 60 and around corners.

Amazingly well built and a true Japanese Icon. I love them.

I wouldn't say barge at all(I've out run a few MR2 turbos on the track in standard TT6 spec), but remember they are a GT car, not a nimble sports car, you can do 500 miles in a Supra and get out feeling as fresh as when you started, in an RX7 or MR2......not so much.

Photo we time anyway, the blue one is mine('99 6 Speed, single turbo, aerotop) :

[paul_y3k]

hmmm lovely to see the pics, used to own a JSpec TT that eventually was converted to a single, after a horrid experience with a 'tuner' going bankrupt and returning the car to me minus half the engine.

Would love to know what happened to it after I sold it on. Would also love to own another one (manual this time)

[PaulG40]

Lovely cars, and hold a commendable status. I do dread to think though of Toyota's idea of a new one would be based on previous form, ala GT86.

[Jawa21]

"Not many left like this anymore!" - Very true but at least I have one just like in the picture

Would love to see a new Supra from Toyota to rival the GTR.

Shame I couldn't make it to the celebration, my 20 year old UK Spec was busy carrying us to Spa for the F1.

[Zircon]

Marc p said:

I wouldn't say barge at all(I've out run a few MR2 turbos on the track in standard TT6 spec), but remember they are a GT car, not a nimble sports car, you can do 500 miles in a Supra and get out feeling as fresh as when you started, in an RX7 or MR2......not so much.

Photo we time anyway, the blue one is mine('99 6 Speed, single turbo, aerotop) :

Maybe barge was a little harsh - they are big though!

Yeah I don't doubt that they are properly lovely to take on long journeys......

Your blue one is Lovely! Amazing colour.

[slowmatt]

Hmmm, I miss mine for the 3.0 straight six, torquey turbo engine, rear wheel drive and the practicality of being a 3 door hatch.

If only there was something made today I could replace it with... (Cough M135i...)

[predding]

Was looking at this and the 968CS when I was about to get my red UR Quattro 20v. Was a storming test drive - engine blew the Quattro away but the handling didn't so stuck with the URQ decision. Still both are great classics now.

[Zircon]

Gaz. said:

I've owned both a MR2T & Supra and driven lots of each, and your post doesn't match my experience.

Regarding the imports dragging down the UK values, that may be true in part, but the terrible image problem is the main cause. Elsewhere around the globe these cars are worth considerably more, but then elsewhere they aren't covered in Woolworth's bodykits & silly colours, rarely even in Japan. I know of a few importers who just don't bother trying to source standard cars as no-one in the UK would pay the asking price needed to buy the things at auction.

Fair enough but my experience does fit my description. I notice your MR2T was a Rev2 and not Rev3. The Supra is a big heavy car with weight up front and lots of power - once over 60 the Supra absolutely flies. I guess it depends on the conditions and situations that we have experienced being different.

The JGTC Supra's had their engines changed to the 3SGTE so that the weight could be better distributed which kind of makes sense.

Edited by Zircon on Wednesday 28th August 17:24

Edited by Zircon on Wednesday 28th August 17:25

[m444ttb]

A Supra was one of the first Japanese performance cars I was taken for a ride in (about a decade ago). I was really excited but just couldn't get over how poor it was inside. I don't know why I expected it to be better than the normal Japanese cars of its era but I did. It was an absolute rocket ship though.

[kingmalik786]

this is the best even though its a celica supra 2.8i

looks much better than the new one, plus it was fast for it times it would leave a 325i e30

[Scootersp]

They were I believe faster than some Ferrari's of the same 1993 era, could pull 1g laterally on the skid pan, had the best production brakes for a time too and they are well know to rack up some serious mileage with little going wrong(there is a 200K car in the classifieds marked as sold for £4K)and has few rust issues.

I'm biased (i'm in the opening posts pic!), I like the shape, the interior, the handling, the grunt and bar their drinking problem I think they've cost me very little especially for the performance they give...I certainly could have made plenty of more costly choices over the last 10 years.

Without going out and spending loads of money I trust my current 19 year old car more than anything I can think to replace it with, which I agree is a mixture of blinkered faith in the marque and a paranoia of the new/unknown.

Edited by Scootersp on Wednesday 28th August 20:12

[BUG4LIFE]

I wish there were more near standard Supra's about, I'd love one

[airbrakes]

My mate on here has an utterly mint XX-shape 3 litre Celica Supra. Almost as much pace as a Mk4 but less flabby looking

[Zircon]

Gaz. said:

Rev2 vs Rev3 is just splitting hairs and matters not a jot, neither will 'murder' a Supra to 60 nor do the two revisions handle differently as they are more or less the same car with no differences to the chassis or brakes.

I got carried away with my description of 'murder' - agreed. There isn't much in it, although there is some. I had my MR2 fanboi hat on.....

The Rev3 is a better engine by far than the Rev 1/2, the CT20b alone pulls to the red line where the CT26 runs out of puff. MAP is also loads more reliable than MAF.

[Seb d]

Had a red UK manual like the one in the ad and loved it, great car.

[rallycross]

These were superb I've only one which was a twin turbo auto, it was so much better to drive than I was expecting, a really well built car shame they stopped building stuff like this at Toyota.