RE: Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32): Spotted
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PHMatt said:
I said the X3 was "almost as powerful"
I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
An R32 GTR weighs 1400kgs, has one of the most iconic powerplants ever made in the shape of the massively over-engineered twin turbo RB26 which sounds immense at it's 8krpm redline. A 435d weighs 1700 kilos and has a diesel engine which revs to 4.5k and sounds like a tractor. About the only good thing I can say about it is that it can probably do about twice the mpg as the R32.I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
It might be as fast in terms of on paper stats but in terms of how they drive and make you feel, they couldn't be further apart.
Guvernator said:
PHMatt said:
I said the X3 was "almost as powerful"
I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
An R32 GTR weighs 1400kgs, has one of the most iconic powerplants ever made in the shape of the massively over-engineered twin turbo RB26 which sounds immense at it's 8krpm redline. A 435d weighs 1700 kilos and has a diesel engine which revs to 4.5k and sounds like a tractor. About the only good thing I can say about it is that it can probably do about twice the mpg as the R32.I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
It might be as fast in terms of on paper stats but in terms of how they drive and make you feel, they couldn't be further apart.
I'm simply stating that in todays terms. A 50mpg diesel can get about as quickly as Godzilla. With mod cons, reliability and comfort.
I'm a big GTR fan. But unless they're modded, in todays terms, they're not actually that fast any more.
The R35 on the other hand...
PHMatt said:
I think you and every one else is missing my point.
I'm simply stating that in todays terms. A 50mpg diesel can get about as quickly as Godzilla. With mod cons, reliability and comfort.
I'm a big GTR fan. But unless they're modded, in todays terms, they're not actually that fast any more.
The R35 on the other hand...
A Skyline with "only" 280bhp is plenty for the road, trust me. It will still do 60 in a smidge over 5 seconds and just over 11.5 to 100, quick enough to see off 95% of the cars on the road today. Of course one with an extra 100-300 odd bhp was better but what car isn't? I'm simply stating that in todays terms. A 50mpg diesel can get about as quickly as Godzilla. With mod cons, reliability and comfort.
I'm a big GTR fan. But unless they're modded, in todays terms, they're not actually that fast any more.
The R35 on the other hand...
On the other hand I found a test drove of one with over 700bhp pretty much undriveable on the public road. That's when I discovered there is actually such a thing as too much power.
PHMatt said:
Bladedancer said:
PHMatt said:
Massive historical value and cool kudo's etc etc etc etc.
However, on paper and on british roads, these would get spanked by far less exotic metal these days.
Even my X3 diesel is almost as powerful and with more torque.
Imagine what a Clio 200 Cup would do.
Surely you're not serious?However, on paper and on british roads, these would get spanked by far less exotic metal these days.
Even my X3 diesel is almost as powerful and with more torque.
Imagine what a Clio 200 Cup would do.
X3 doesn't handle anywhere near like a GTR. Plus the x35d you inevitably refer to weights 1860kg, not to mention has a far higher center of gravity. In a straight line you might be able to hold your own against a GTR. As soon as a bend happens, you're gone.
Clio Cup 200 you say. Now if you said something sensible like Golf R or Focus RS and you might have been on the money.
But Clio 200? With 0-60 of what, almost 7 seconds? Nah.
Besides, you're comparing cars from the start of 90s with modern metal. With that reasoning Porsches and Fezzar would get spanked by far less exotic metal.
And that, like your comparison, proves nothing.
I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
Leaving aside traction - current GTR is 0-62s in 2.7-2.9 seconds and 0-100 in just over 7 versus 4.7 and around 10 or 11 for a 435d. The GTR acceleration is savage - the 35d is very quick but not in the same league.
The 35d engine is great but it doesn't make a GTR rival! My neighbour has a 335d touring and would roll about laughing if anyone suggested it would keep up with a GTR! 313 bhp versus 550bhp.
ELothian said:
Sorry to disappoint you but I've driven a 435d and owned a 640d. My wife has a GTR as her daily and it is so much faster than a 435d.
Leaving aside traction - current GTR is 0-62s in 2.7-2.9 seconds and 0-100 in just over 7 versus 4.7 and around 10 or 11 for a 435d. The GTR acceleration is savage - the 35d is very quick but not in the same league.
The 35d engine is great but it doesn't make a GTR rival! My neighbour has a 335d touring and would roll about laughing if anyone suggested it would keep up with a GTR! 313 bhp versus 550bhp.
He's taking about the standard R32 GTR. So not a completely ridiculous claim. Leaving aside traction - current GTR is 0-62s in 2.7-2.9 seconds and 0-100 in just over 7 versus 4.7 and around 10 or 11 for a 435d. The GTR acceleration is savage - the 35d is very quick but not in the same league.
The 35d engine is great but it doesn't make a GTR rival! My neighbour has a 335d touring and would roll about laughing if anyone suggested it would keep up with a GTR! 313 bhp versus 550bhp.
PHMatt said:
Massive historical value and cool kudo's etc etc etc etc.
However, on paper and on british roads, these would get spanked by far less exotic metal these days.
Even my X3 diesel is almost as powerful and with more torque.
Imagine what a Clio 200 Cup would do.
The thing about old turbo cars like the Skyline is, you have a choice. You can enjoy them as they are, accepting that you aren't necessarily going to be able to win every traffic light grand prix against newer performance cars. Or you can cash in some of that latent potential, run more boost & supporting mods, and go and chase modern 911s and so on. In doing so you also benefit from the 'vintage' compactness and lighter weight of the old cars, combined relatively sophisticated running gear such as the double wishbones and active 4wd of the GTR. So it really is the best of both worlds, the greater involvement and cool factor of an older car with the pace of a modern one.However, on paper and on british roads, these would get spanked by far less exotic metal these days.
Even my X3 diesel is almost as powerful and with more torque.
Imagine what a Clio 200 Cup would do.
PHMatt said:
I said the X3 was "almost as powerful"
I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
435D might. But you opened up with an X3 which just made you sound silly.I didn't say it was as fast nor did I say it would out handle it. FYI 30D (258bhp) 0-60 6.2s 35D (313bhp) 0-60 in mid 5's
435D - 0-60 is 4.7s
And a 435D would give a GTR a run for it's money - they're 4WD too now.
k-ink said:
No one gives a f
k about a diesel mummy wagon or diesel rep mobile.
HTH.
Back to GTR chat...
I rarely post to just cheer someone along but this made me lol. k about a diesel mummy wagon or diesel rep mobile. HTH.
Back to GTR chat...
Couldn't agree more. Not everything is about ultimate straight line pull. Std R32 is fast enough and then with that goes all the drama and heritage. Add a wee bit boost and then you can have the extra performance to match the drama. But really, not needed.
RW
ELothian said:
Sorry to disappoint you but I've driven a 435d and owned a 640d. My wife has a GTR as her daily and it is so much faster than a 435d.
Leaving aside traction - current GTR is 0-62s in 2.7-2.9 seconds and 0-100 in just over 7 versus 4.7 and around 10 or 11 for a 435d. The GTR acceleration is savage - the 35d is very quick but not in the same league.
The 35d engine is great but it doesn't make a GTR rival! My neighbour has a 335d touring and would roll about laughing if anyone suggested it would keep up with a GTR! 313 bhp versus 550bhp.
I think were discussing R32/33/34 here, so RB26 powered, which means 280 bhp claimed (300-330 in reality in many cases), so we should leave R35 out of this.Leaving aside traction - current GTR is 0-62s in 2.7-2.9 seconds and 0-100 in just over 7 versus 4.7 and around 10 or 11 for a 435d. The GTR acceleration is savage - the 35d is very quick but not in the same league.
The 35d engine is great but it doesn't make a GTR rival! My neighbour has a 335d touring and would roll about laughing if anyone suggested it would keep up with a GTR! 313 bhp versus 550bhp.
90s GTR still could do 0-60 in 4.5-5.5s (depending on the generation) and I'm talking bog standard cars not special editions like 400R or Z-Tune or custom tuned cars.
Joined a Skyline owners forum back in the late 00s as I was seriously considering an R33 GTR (a 'dream car' for me as a member of the Gran Turismo generation). Plenty of decent sub £10K examples at the time.
Had I been a bit more shrewd with my cash, I'd have gone for a tidy R32 which back then were also much more plentiful/ affordable. At the time (and indeed nowadays) they were more desirable than the R33s. As usual, I am the weirdo who inexplicably preferred the 'unloved' model/ generation...
The US 25y/o thing as discussed is spot-on; afew /DRIVE videos on the subject IIRC. If it's a genuinely classic/ iconic car that was never sold in the US and approaching 25y/o, it's likely a pretty sound investment. Surprised that Harris even posed the question as to whether or not the R32 GTR was worth the money; bearing in mind the work he did with /DRIVE he must have had an idea of the huge Yank market just waiting for the 25y/o rule to come into effect? Admittedly the Harris piece being discussed may pre-date his work with /DRIVE- and I'm too lazy/ drunk to check.
Once sold a Mkiv Supra to a chap from Norway, which seemed quite unusual at the time. Mkiv values have rocketed recently as so many have gone to Europe. Presumably a similar story with Skylines...
As a card-carrying Jap fanboy, I can't help but wonder what the next big classic/ iconic Jap investment car is? Suggestions more than welcome...
Had I been a bit more shrewd with my cash, I'd have gone for a tidy R32 which back then were also much more plentiful/ affordable. At the time (and indeed nowadays) they were more desirable than the R33s. As usual, I am the weirdo who inexplicably preferred the 'unloved' model/ generation...
The US 25y/o thing as discussed is spot-on; afew /DRIVE videos on the subject IIRC. If it's a genuinely classic/ iconic car that was never sold in the US and approaching 25y/o, it's likely a pretty sound investment. Surprised that Harris even posed the question as to whether or not the R32 GTR was worth the money; bearing in mind the work he did with /DRIVE he must have had an idea of the huge Yank market just waiting for the 25y/o rule to come into effect? Admittedly the Harris piece being discussed may pre-date his work with /DRIVE- and I'm too lazy/ drunk to check.
Once sold a Mkiv Supra to a chap from Norway, which seemed quite unusual at the time. Mkiv values have rocketed recently as so many have gone to Europe. Presumably a similar story with Skylines...
As a card-carrying Jap fanboy, I can't help but wonder what the next big classic/ iconic Jap investment car is? Suggestions more than welcome...
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