Why no police 335d?
Discussion
SystemParanoia said:
Elroy Blue said:
BenjiS said:
Police helicopters however are perfectly fit for purpose.
Except NPAS exists in name only now. Huge areas of the country no longer have air support and those that do have severely restricted flight hours. Helicopters cannot lift to pre-position, we must be actual pursuit before they get authorisation, by which time it's too late.The 3.0ds are more than adequate. If a car is out running it, then that means it's going at speeds which will result in the Officer being hung, drawn and quartered if their is a collision which results in serious injury. It simply isn't worth going at warp factor 10.
Our cars have uprated electrical systems and that's about it. No super duper brakes, shocks, engines. Totally standard.
Do you have a map ?
There is a map on a pprune thread that shows flying time and crime rate - link here.
And finally, the image below shows the 10, 20 and 30 minute flying times ( source)
Edited to add: Back in 2015 the Huffington Post did an article showing how the coverage would drop as a result of the NPAS base closures (link here).
Edited by BertieWooster on Monday 23 January 12:06
Reffro said:
Its always easier to be the chaser. Police drivers are trained to spot hazards etc etc, but they are no better than many other people when it comes down to the physical driving of the vehicles and they don't have to be...they are not racing and don't have to be faster/better driver than the person they are persuing, just be able to follow them safely.
They have some quite intensive training and not everyone makes the grade, part of the training is hazard anticipation but they can handle a car by and large, they have skid training and high speed road training, when experienced they have potentially years of high speed driving under their belt, a lot tend to be petrolheads as well.
Also (not sure if this is still the case) BMW will make emergency service vehicles in the production line. So the cars are not modified after wards thus saving time and money. Plus they are able to be easily adapted for the force that is ordering them. Maybe BMW simply do not offer the 335d as part of this service?
brrapp said:
Used to be front pads and springs at the back to cope with the extra load - none of it was performance-orientated as they never get used in a performance manner.WCZ said:
my question is why would anyone buy a 330d over a 335d? the price difference is like £2k on a £40k car and the 335 is much quicker and nicer to drive.
BMW build police cars to spec and they come fully kitted out right off the production line. Search on here isn't the best, but there was a post a while back quoting circa £13k brand new for a full police spec 5 series and circa £14k for an X5. When BMW are offering those prices I daresay forces wouldn't care to pay an extra £30k for a few extra hp they wouldn't really need...rainmakerraw said:
BMW build police cars to spec and they come fully kitted out right off the production line. Search on here isn't the best, but there was a post a while back quoting circa £13k brand new for a full police spec 5 series and circa £14k for an X5. When BMW are offering those prices I daresay forces wouldn't care to pay an extra £30k for a few extra hp they wouldn't really need...
If it's £13-14k for the x30d, it's not going to be £43-44k for the x35d.jamesson said:
rainmakerraw said:
BMW build police cars to spec and they come fully kitted out right off the production line. Search on here isn't the best, but there was a post a while back quoting circa £13k brand new for a full police spec 5 series and circa £14k for an X5. When BMW are offering those prices I daresay forces wouldn't care to pay an extra £30k for a few extra hp they wouldn't really need...
If it's £13-14k for the x30d, it's not going to be £43-44k for the x35d.rainmakerraw said:
That depends on how it works, no? If it's a case of offering the x30d for £14k so 'Oh, go on then we'll upgrade to the x35d for another £1k' then fine. Who's to say it's not a case of 'These are the discounted ready-to-go options, if you want anything different you'll have to order direct from a dealership like everyone else'? In any case I was only responding to the poster saying the difference was 'only' £2k on a £40k car. But it's not a £40k car, so provided the engine upgrade is still £2k then suddenly it's 1/6 extra cost for a few extra HP, across x purchased units per force.
As a serving officer, I know for a fact my force does not order from a dealership and I doubt many, if any, do. The companies which supply vehicles to the police can get whatever is asked for and will not point a bulk buying customer like a police force in the direction of a dealership should the order be x35d rather than x30d.A while back my force had a 335i rather than the normal 330d. The upgrade in price was minimal but the hassle to get it approved as it went over the 300bhp suggested limit meant it was more trouble than it was worth so for that reason amongst others, as a general rule, the x30d gets the nod over the 35d rather than it being a cost issue.
In any case, the x30d is quick enough for most situations so there's no need to spend even more money on faster cars, particularly when budgets are being cut.
jamesson said:
As a serving officer, I know for a fact my force does not order from a dealership and I doubt many, if any, do. The companies which supply vehicles to the police can get whatever is asked for and will not point a bulk buying customer like a police force in the direction of a dealership should the order be x35d rather than x30d.
A while back my force had a 335i rather than the normal 330d. The upgrade in price was minimal but the hassle to get it approved as it went over the 300bhp suggested limit meant it was more trouble than it was worth so for that reason amongst others, as a general rule, the x30d gets the nod over the 35d rather than it being a cost issue.
In any case, the x30d is quick enough for most situations so there's no need to spend even more money on faster cars, particularly when budgets are being cut.
Ah now I know who you are, I think. I spent enough time on 5ive-o back in the day. Nice to see you're still around. A while back my force had a 335i rather than the normal 330d. The upgrade in price was minimal but the hassle to get it approved as it went over the 300bhp suggested limit meant it was more trouble than it was worth so for that reason amongst others, as a general rule, the x30d gets the nod over the 35d rather than it being a cost issue.
In any case, the x30d is quick enough for most situations so there's no need to spend even more money on faster cars, particularly when budgets are being cut.
Are you still in touch with Wazza and his wife, Atte etc? Pass on my regards if so, would you? Cheers.rainmakerraw said:
Ah now I know who you are, I think. I spent enough time on 5ive-o back in the day. Nice to see you're still around. Are you still in touch with Wazza and his wife, Atte etc? Pass on my regards if so, would you? Cheers.
You'll have to refresh my memory as to your identity! 5ive-o is no more, it would seem. I'm in touch with a couple of people from there, but not Wazza, his (now ex) wife or Atte. I loved that site. Shame it's gone now. Are you still in touch with Wazza and his wife, Atte etc? Pass on my regards if so, would you? Cheers.
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