RE: No-ssan GT-R

[quashqai]

I think you will find this is all to do with 'back covering' on Nissan's point of view. They know the GT-R is very likely to be tinkered with but to protect themselves from liability claims they will attempt to tamper-proof the car. This will inevitably make the car even more desirable to the tuning boffins who know damn well they can still extract the known ability of this fab design. Fair play to Nissan for the marketing ploy. The tuners will love the Kudos of unleashing the beast. Can't wait !

[Trommel]

This is all hearsay - are people really so gullible?

[neon_fox]

Trommel said:

This is all hearsay - are people really so gullible?

Please, at least do a *little* research before mouthing off.

Here's some 'heresay' from Motor Trend and the President and Head Engineer from MINES at the Tokyo Auto Salon:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/...

The whole 'people will just replace the ECU' thing is *MUCH* more complex than 99% of previous cars. Not only does the V35 ECU handle all the usual engine parameters, it also handles almost everything else too, including the most complex electronic 4WD system ever designed, previous versions of which are something even HKS have not previously replaced (units like the Grid Dancer are merely simple piggy-back units). Look at the amount of problems people had with replacing the RX-8's ECU...

Also the person who said 'lots of cars at the Tokyo Auto Salon had aftermarket wheels': read the article, they all got there on standard wheels and had the wheels changed static on the stand, then back to standard wheels to drive them away again after the show

It's only a matter of time before Nissan (and other manufacturers) start signing their ECU software and the car will refuse to start if it detects unauthorised firmware...

[moleamol]

neon, for every software engineer that produces software that can't be cracked, there are a thousand part timers that will crack it within a day.

[Biggriff]

This whole Nissan big brother thing puts me off buying one and I was interested.

The fact you could play with the old onesd made them what they are 'An icon'. I think Nissan will regret this decision.

[donofkarma]

The tuning thing isn't much of a problem imo - as has been said it is happening now.

The GPS tracking however, if it part of the UK spec then it'll be an Evo or an R34 GT-R for me!

[Trommel]

neon_fox said:

Please, at least do a *little* research before mouthing off.

I suggest that you are the one who needs to do some research.

Pretty much all modern ECUs control more than just engine management - whether it's difficult or not, there's always a way around the problem. Your comment regarding the Grid Dancer - it's a simple 4WD controller which splices into the Nissan ATTESA circuit. Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with engine management.

As for HKS, my GT-R has an F-CON V Pro ECU which is piggy-backed to the factory ECU, but it can be set up as a fully-functioning stand-alone ECU if you so wanted, just like MoTeC, Haltech etc.

The wheels "issue" - at worst, it will mean moving an RFID chip I'd imagine.

Quite why everyone is up in arms about this intrigues me - I imagine every manufacturer makes similar efforts to ensure that the various electronic modules are not easy to mess with. If this was anything other than a GT-R, I doubt anyone would notice.

[armandtan]

Does seem really stupid!

Nissan, you need to check customer satisfaction.

I brought it, i really want to do what the hell i like with it.

Should check underneath the car, maybe it's like a bus ticket and has the words, "remain's property of Nissan" written somewhere.

Sounds like it does!

[costanzo427]

Biggriff said:

This whole Nissan big brother thing puts me off buying one and I was interested.

The fact you could play with the old onesd made them what they are 'An icon'. I think Nissan will regret this decision.

this car is really quite scary in a way... Big Brother really is watching-
If I had the money, it would go elsewhere.

[anonymous-user]

My mum used to have a Nissan Sunny.

[john_r]

The first official Euro/UK spec car will be at the Geneva Motor Show.

I know this because Nissan have just sent me free tickets and an invitation to their lounge to get up close to it!

(I'm sure they've also sent them to about a million other people too, but hey it made me feel good! )

[Phil-CH]

moleamol said:

neon, for every software engineer that produces software that can't be cracked, there are a thousand part timers that will crack it within a day.

Unfortunately, the days when ECUs used to be run by simple micro-processors are gone - now days with the amount of data they control, there's some serious processing power required - which ultimately also allows for much higher decryption. While there may be thousand part timers that are willing to have a go at cracking, it's not going to be easy and rising costs may outweigh the benefit of cracking it in the first place.

[sirhc]

Surely just the Nissan spin doctors at work.
People will be getting these cars just to prove they can be hacked.
Good work Nissan.
Me thinks they struck a different higher level BHP agreement of 473BHP as long as it was not able to be taken higher
With the weight of the car & the performance figures they are quoting my guess is they will be leaving the factory with well over 500BHP.
Porsche are pretty damn good at making their 911 turbos super fast.
I dont expect for one minute any manufacturer could produce a car with the same power, less torque, weigh almost 1/4 ton more & then go on to out accelerate a 911 Turbo.
Aint gona happen (no matter how trick the transmission).
Ferrari & Lamborghini cant do it so how can Nissan???

P.S Now if you'd said a new TVR was gona do it then id prob have to eat my words.
Still enjoy watchin the Clarkson in that Cerbera