An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
M4cruiser said:
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Just get on a bus and keep us all safer.
M4cruiser said:
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
), maybe not in the wet, but it's a decent road. Bit of a pinch point over Whim brook (which is where the three signs you mention are).bigothunter said:
M4cruiser said:
Ah, that makes sense now, I was already further west before I started the "walking".
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Looks suitable for at least 80 to me It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Obviously a touchy subject this, but there is a mass of drivers out there who are happy to plod along at 37mph everywhere, which they are entirely within their right to. The problem comes when others won't overtake or are too scared to overtake, which then causes a tailback of cars behind the slow driver. If people dropped their car down a few gears and overtook, the slow driver would be less of a problem.
Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
I often see people tailgating slow drivers on the below stretch of road, sat behind someone doing 37mph, long clear sighted road but won't overtake. Amount of times I've overtook 2+ cars at a time here, thinking surely they'll overtake now, but they still sit tailgating a slow driver.
Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
I often see people tailgating slow drivers on the below stretch of road, sat behind someone doing 37mph, long clear sighted road but won't overtake. Amount of times I've overtook 2+ cars at a time here, thinking surely they'll overtake now, but they still sit tailgating a slow driver.
nickfrog said:
Pit Pony said:
They got it seriously right indeed. Cycling makes a lot of sense for so many trips for which we use the car. Given the UK's chronic obesity problems it would also help the NHS if people did a bit of exercise rather than jump into their car for short trips.A few irritable Phers might struggle with so many cyclists around though.
First off, the Netherlands is as flat as a pancake. My girlfriend lives there and when she logs her rides on Strava, the elevation gain recorded is laughable compared to the UK. She can do a 30+km ride with about 30m of elevation gain. Similar rides in the UK would probably see 400-1000m climbed.
The Netherlands also has fully segregated cycle lanes, which take a completely different route than the road. Not just a line painted on the side of the road that frequently disappears at random, then reappears a few hundred metres later, and has cars parked in it. Their cycle lanes are also segregated from pedestrians, so they don't have to deal with oblivious dog walkers and pedestrians bumbling along blocking the path.
They also have better weather. I'm a mountain biker in my free time, and even I generally don't want to use a bike for transport the majority of the time. About three quarters of the year is just unpleasant on a bike. If I can't be bothered, then the chance of getting someone not into bikes to use one as transport is zero.
M4cruiser said:
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
It speaks volumes how you missed it, perhaps if we were all as dangerously unobservant as this we would bumble around at 30 everywhere!
zedx19 said:
Obviously a touchy subject this, but there is a mass of drivers out there who are happy to plod along at 37mph everywhere, which they are entirely within their right to. The problem comes when others won't overtake or are too scared to overtake, which then causes a tailback of cars behind the slow driver. If people dropped their car down a few gears and overtook, the slow driver would be less of a problem.
Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
It was obviously m4cruiser...ooh there's a slow sign on the road must mean the limit should really be 30 not 60 as indicated, rather than just for this very specific point of the road...a menace he is!Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
He also justifies middle lane driving on the variois threads on that...Not sure if he's serious or just a very clever troll!
simon_harris said:
M4cruiser said:
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Just get on a bus and keep us all safer.
Seriously m4 you must be a really bad driver (what with all those mechanicals you suffer too) or a clever troll as your judgements on these threads are completely wrong.
zedx19 said:
The problem comes when others won't overtake or are too scared to overtake, which then causes a tailback of cars behind the slow driver. If people dropped their car down a few gears and overtook, the slow driver would be less of a problem.
It's not just thatI've been in several tail backs of cars following a lone cyclist for miles because the lead car(s) won't overtake
If you're a big girl then at least leave a space so others can overtake you
I even came across a group of bikers following a van at 50 in an NSL the other day in rural Wales
I gave them a chance to overtake, then at the next opportunity, I overtook the lot on my bike
I hate doing it as bikers rarely look or indicate before overtaking IME (including me on occasion) as we are used to being the fastest thing on the road
theplayingmantis said:
It was obviously m4cruiser...ooh there's a slow sign on the road must mean the limit should really be 30 not 60 as indicated, rather than just for this very specific point of the road...a menace he is!
He also justifies middle lane driving on the variois threads on that...Not sure if he's serious or just a very clever troll!
You are completely wrong, I do not hog the middle lane.He also justifies middle lane driving on the variois threads on that...Not sure if he's serious or just a very clever troll!
But I can spell "various".
No, a slow sign doesn't mean the limit is 30, and I have never said that. If you think I have then please show me where!
A "SLOW" in a NSL does mean you shouldn't be doing 60 for that section.
My point is that accelerating hard at the NSL sign is a very old fashioned way to drive, and we really shouldn't be doing that these days.
If your company offered you an EV6 then no doubt you would say no, you want a Granada 2.8i.
M4cruiser said:
My point is that accelerating hard at the NSL sign is a very old fashioned way to drive, and we really shouldn't be doing that these days.
If your company offered you an EV6 then no doubt you would say no, you want a Granada 2.8i.
Probably unintentional but you've captured a good point.If your company offered you an EV6 then no doubt you would say no, you want a Granada 2.8i.
EVs and Hybrids are very efficient at capturing kinetic energy through regenerative retardation. So accelerating from 30 to 60 and back down again actually has little penalty. We've found a way of satisfying eco warriors and speed maniacs alike.
LunarOne said:
swisstoni said:
bigothunter said:
FNG said:
It’s almost as though the majority of the area inside the m25 is urban and warrants lower speed limits than the open countryside you might find in places outside of the m25.
Twenty is Plenty... 
In the spirit of the thread the increasing examples of people driving down this quiet NSL clearway at 30-35 is noticeable, probably 2/3 rds of occasions.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oBd97GftJwYzFTUy7
It's Bewdley bypass A456.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oBd97GftJwYzFTUy7
It's Bewdley bypass A456.
zedx19 said:
Obviously a touchy subject this, but there is a mass of drivers out there who are happy to plod along at 37mph everywhere, which they are entirely within their right to. The problem comes when others won't overtake or are too scared to overtake, which then causes a tailback of cars behind the slow driver. If people dropped their car down a few gears and overtook, the slow driver would be less of a problem.
Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
I often see people tailgating slow drivers on the below stretch of road, sat behind someone doing 37mph, long clear sighted road but won't overtake. Amount of times I've overtook 2+ cars at a time here, thinking surely they'll overtake now, but they still sit tailgating a slow driver.
Yep I come up against this often, more and more people are using the b roads over the moors locally rather than the main roads in the valley bottom, the issue is they are not up to driving on those roads and can cause chaos when combined with others that don't know how to overtake. Was stuck behind someone the other evening, who was doing 30mph in a NSL B road, but whenever a car came down the otherside of the road towards them, they would brake to 10mph. I was 8 cars back, behind me a line of cars as long as I could see. There was limited space to overtake, but possible 1 car at a time, however the cars in front would not overtake. What ended up happening is cars blaring horns, swerving out trying to look what the problem was, general frustration at this insanely slow driver. In this situation though, if you're having to brake to 10mph on a road wide enough for 2 tractors, you need to have your eyes tested, or go through some driver training on understanding car widths.
I often see people tailgating slow drivers on the below stretch of road, sat behind someone doing 37mph, long clear sighted road but won't overtake. Amount of times I've overtook 2+ cars at a time here, thinking surely they'll overtake now, but they still sit tailgating a slow driver.
The only thing you can do is relax and leave some space in front of you if you're not in a position to get passed them, but people don't they think bunching up and driving erratically helps, but it doesn't
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