Keep left on the motorway?
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
I have sometimes used the European method, not on motorways but on 2 lane dual carriageways when the car ahead is the only car in sight but in the outer lane. Up behind them flash lights, they wake up and pull over to the inside lane. I overtake, indicate and pull in myself only to see the moron behind pull back out and continue to drive in the outer lane again.
Driving on dual carriageways and motorways must be made compulsory on the driving test.
But you must realise that they are going to turn right at the next roundabout, five miles down the road.Driving on dual carriageways and motorways must be made compulsory on the driving test.
XJ Flyer said:
jmorgan said:
Speed limit has nothing to do with it. Been managing to work within it for years. Raise the limit and you will still have knuckle heads.
Which leaves the inconvenient question is this an example of lane hogging on the part of the Mercedes driver ( answer no ).Would it be if he slowed down to 70 mph max for whatever reason ( answer yes ).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxdYiSQ0Mg
Having had a train of worlds best drivers in barge mobiles up me chuff in Germany, I do not really rate them.
XJ Flyer said:
So are you saying this is an example of 'lane hogging' by the Mercedes driver ?.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxdYiSQ0Mg
By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
While even the example in the video eventually inevitably ending up in such a situation having resorted to a pointless undertaking exercise when lane 3 was obviously the correct lane to use regardless of the issue of lane hogging going on in lane 2.
Largely depends if the rear facing camera shows a car closing him down in his lane. If so, then he really should take an opportunity to get into l1 out of the other car's way. Of course, your true mlm has no idea what is going on behind and does not care until he spots a "tailgater" up his chuff and feels all hard done by...www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxdYiSQ0Mg
By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
While even the example in the video eventually inevitably ending up in such a situation having resorted to a pointless undertaking exercise when lane 3 was obviously the correct lane to use regardless of the issue of lane hogging going on in lane 2.
chilistrucker said:
Is it just me or does this problem always seem worse at this time of year? It's bad enough most of the time but during school holidays i always think it gets worse.
Never ceases to amaze me on a 3 or 4 lane motorway i can happily be bumbling along in the lorry at 56mph in lane 1, lane 2 is often quite empty and lane 3 has a long line of these idiots mentioned in this topic.
Stupid, clueless fools.
Traffic idiocy is far higher in school holidays.Never ceases to amaze me on a 3 or 4 lane motorway i can happily be bumbling along in the lorry at 56mph in lane 1, lane 2 is often quite empty and lane 3 has a long line of these idiots mentioned in this topic.
Stupid, clueless fools.
XJ Flyer said:
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By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
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By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
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gavsdavs said:
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You're supposed to default to the left and move out when needed. Granted, this requires a bit more forethought and concentration than simply using the slumber lane.
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I stated my position quite clearly.You're supposed to default to the left and move out when needed. Granted, this requires a bit more forethought and concentration than simply using the slumber lane.
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I didn't say "you must return to L1 an as soon as you have cleared the front bumper of every single vehicle and then move back to L2 to overtake them, especially if disrupting your own cruising speed".
You are supposed to seek the inner lane when it is safe and reasonable to do so. Feel free to overtake many trucks in one go.
The point I was making was that so many drivers seem to travel half asleep.
More speed only makes the slumber more dangerous.
SeeFive said:
XJ Flyer said:
So are you saying this is an example of 'lane hogging' by the Mercedes driver ?.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxdYiSQ0Mg
By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
While even the example in the video eventually inevitably ending up in such a situation having resorted to a pointless undertaking exercise when lane 3 was obviously the correct lane to use regardless of the issue of lane hogging going on in lane 2.
Largely depends if the rear facing camera shows a car closing him down in his lane. If so, then he really should take an opportunity to get into l1 out of the other car's way. Of course, your true mlm has no idea what is going on behind and does not care until he spots a "tailgater" up his chuff and feels all hard done by...www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxdYiSQ0Mg
By your logic how do you differentiate between the correct procedure in the case of multiple overtakes.As I said in this case being the common scenario of lane 1 being infested with slow moving trucks and other traffic all running below 60 mph.I'd say that staying out in lane 2 in that case often shows the difference between the use of good planning ahead.As opposed to the type of muppets who try to take the idea of lane discipline to the opposite extreme of returning to lane 1,or expecting someone to return to lane 1,when it's obvious that it is actually a continuous multiple overtake situation which can often be a continuous issue over miles.In general the UK's problems are similar to those of the States in which it's mostly the excessively low motorway speed speed limit backing up and clogging the 'overtaking lanes' which is the problem.
While even the example in the video eventually inevitably ending up in such a situation having resorted to a pointless undertaking exercise when lane 3 was obviously the correct lane to use regardless of the issue of lane hogging going on in lane 2.
The fact is there are lots of situations in this country whereby it's all too easy to be seen as a lane hogger.When in fact it's the ridiculously low speed limit that's causing the problem.Which is why motorway conditions are often so similar to those on the multi lane Interstates of America,as opposed to the 2 or 3 lane sections of unlimited autobahns.
As for the case in the video yes lane 2 wasn't being used as intended,at least by German standards,but that still left lane 3 and the question of the 'actual' speeds involved being that we have no proof.Assuming the possibility that the traffic in lane 2 was running at the type of speeds expected,under the speed regime applying in this country,in that lane,IE around 60-65 mph max regardless of conditions in lane 1,common sense would suggest in the case of anyone who wants to go faster that's what lane 3 is there for.
IE if we have to have an over regulated speed environment then every one needs to get used to the down sides of running in that situation.Which,as I've said,is often the difference between US motorways and the remaining unlimited sections of German ones.
XJ Flyer said:
From experience given the combination of a quick enough car,let alone Mc Laren Merc,and realistic speed regime the issue of 'lane discipline' sorts itself out and is taken for granted.In that no one who's running at 190 mph would expect someone who's running at 140 mph + to move over into ( much ) slower running traffic in lane 1.
The fact is there are lots of situations in this country whereby it's all too easy to be seen as a lane hogger.When in fact it's the ridiculously low speed limit that's causing the problem.Which is why motorway conditions are often so similar to those on the multi lane Interstates of America,as opposed to the 2 or 3 lane sections of unlimited autobahns.
As for the case in the video yes lane 2 wasn't being used as intended,at least by German standards,but that still left lane 3 and the question of the 'actual' speeds involved being that we have no proof.Assuming the possibility that the traffic in lane 2 was running at the type of speeds expected,under the speed regime applying in this country,in that lane,IE around 60-65 mph max regardless of conditions in lane 1,common sense would suggest in the case of anyone who wants to go faster that's what lane 3 is there for.
IE if we have to have an over regulated speed environment then every one needs to get used to the down sides of running in that situation.Which,as I've said,is often the difference between US motorways and the remaining unlimited sections of German ones.
I think I get the gist of what you are saying. My point is slightly different. I don't like holding people up, so if I am in the process of a multiple overtake, and a car is closing me down doing the same thing, I will look to get out of the way if safe to do so, including moving aside and lifting to the speed of the traffic I have just joined if necessary to let the other car past. It is common courtesy not to hold other people up.The fact is there are lots of situations in this country whereby it's all too easy to be seen as a lane hogger.When in fact it's the ridiculously low speed limit that's causing the problem.Which is why motorway conditions are often so similar to those on the multi lane Interstates of America,as opposed to the 2 or 3 lane sections of unlimited autobahns.
As for the case in the video yes lane 2 wasn't being used as intended,at least by German standards,but that still left lane 3 and the question of the 'actual' speeds involved being that we have no proof.Assuming the possibility that the traffic in lane 2 was running at the type of speeds expected,under the speed regime applying in this country,in that lane,IE around 60-65 mph max regardless of conditions in lane 1,common sense would suggest in the case of anyone who wants to go faster that's what lane 3 is there for.
IE if we have to have an over regulated speed environment then every one needs to get used to the down sides of running in that situation.Which,as I've said,is often the difference between US motorways and the remaining unlimited sections of German ones.
Sadly the mlms do not have a clue what is going on around them, even when they do spot that they are causing an issue have no concept of courtesy or other people's needs. They really snarl up our roads unnecessarily.
I agree with those who have stated on here, we need a long running campaign like the "think bike" one to stop these morons from ruining our roads and costing this country millions every day in wasted time. These idiots must have the largest single impact on the flow of our road traffic, maybe with the exception of those that cannot safely navigate a straight, wide road where all the traffic is going in the same direction, with no surprise junctions and normally good visibility way ahead without slamming into something else.
Maybe they are the same people. Where is Darwin when you need him?
calibrax said:
M4cruiser said:
As an example, let's focus on the white Fiesta in the middle lane - what exactly, specifically, did you expect the driver to do, calibrax?
Keep left? It's not like there wasn't any space to his left before I got there...If you think he shouldn't be in the middle lane then there are only 2 options open to the Fiesta driver: (A) Dig a tunnel, or (B) take off.
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