Just another day on the M62...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-2257132...
Another serious incident on the M62 in the roadworks area.
That 50mph limit is there for "safety" and those 15 miles of cones in both directions are there to "protect the workers". Those same workers who seeingly only come out at night and then close off most of the motorway anyway (and rightly so I think, to protect themselves).
Hows about... move all the fekking cones, get it back to national speed limit, close off just a SMALL PART the motorway at night (like they do now anyway) and get the improvements complete a notch at a time??
Beggars belief that they take up 30 miles of motorway (15 in each direction) for 2 years to add a few gantrys. Meanwhile, people are dying or being seriously injured.
50mph limit. Safe? Are you kidding??
We can now look forward to the same s
te on the M1 next year....
Another serious incident on the M62 in the roadworks area.
That 50mph limit is there for "safety" and those 15 miles of cones in both directions are there to "protect the workers". Those same workers who seeingly only come out at night and then close off most of the motorway anyway (and rightly so I think, to protect themselves).
Hows about... move all the fekking cones, get it back to national speed limit, close off just a SMALL PART the motorway at night (like they do now anyway) and get the improvements complete a notch at a time??
Beggars belief that they take up 30 miles of motorway (15 in each direction) for 2 years to add a few gantrys. Meanwhile, people are dying or being seriously injured.
50mph limit. Safe? Are you kidding??
We can now look forward to the same s
te on the M1 next year....I'm failing to see your complaint? Are you saying the 50mph speed limit caused the crash?!
I work in traffic management mainly on the m25, unfortunately on the long term scheme jobs it can't be done on a notch at a time basis
For instance on the m25 widening scheme, a hole lane cannot be put in 1 night and can also not be left with just half a lane!
However, i can see how from the other side of the fence roadworks are frustrating.
I work in traffic management mainly on the m25, unfortunately on the long term scheme jobs it can't be done on a notch at a time basis
For instance on the m25 widening scheme, a hole lane cannot be put in 1 night and can also not be left with just half a lane!
However, i can see how from the other side of the fence roadworks are frustrating.
Edited by Ag51bye on Friday 17th May 18:05
probably because 20mph slower and 50 is so ridiculously low that people are pushing on at 70 and meeting people doing 50. Or swerving between lanes. If the limit was at the safe 70 people would get less frustrated.
It's the same as saying people going slow on A roads don't cause accidents. THey do, people get sick of them going slow and overtake......thus having the accidents.
If you aren't capable of doing the speed limit, get the bus.
It's the same as saying people going slow on A roads don't cause accidents. THey do, people get sick of them going slow and overtake......thus having the accidents.
If you aren't capable of doing the speed limit, get the bus.
There have been no end of accidents in those roadworks - almost every single one of which has involved a truck. Todays looked very nasty - looked like one had run into the back of another - the front was very comprehensively squashed. I just hope the driver was OK as the cab looked a mess. I keep saying this about truckers though - why do they tailgate so much - especially other trucks where they can't see anything but the truck six feet in front?
I must have had some deity smiling at me today as for the first time this year I decided to take the motorbike to work to bed in my new tyres. If anyone saw a black R1 filtering m621-m62 westbound today - that was me.
I must have had some deity smiling at me today as for the first time this year I decided to take the motorbike to work to bed in my new tyres. If anyone saw a black R1 filtering m621-m62 westbound today - that was me.
ModernAndy said:
How is a 20mph lower speed limit causing accidents?
Because it's mind numbingly boring and people just switch off. I drive it twice a week and have seen so many near misses it's untrue. Spacing drops to almost zero and everyone spends the entire section with their eyes glued to their speedometers thanks the bloody stupid ave speed cameras. It's so bad I ended up buying a dash cam.And to cap it all off last week I counted the number of workers on that stretch and there was 1 bloke on the eastbound section and he was sat on the step of a portakabin having a smoke. The whole scheme is one big utterly unsafe joke.
rhinochopig said:
And to cap it all off last week I counted the number of workers on that stretch and there was 1 bloke on the eastbound section and he was sat on the step of a portakabin having a smoke. The whole scheme is one big utterly unsafe joke.
It is very true about the number of people working on it; I can't believe how few there are on it at any time, especially given how long they are. I drive it every single day and there are usually only a couple of small crews on and nothing at all at night. If it was the M25 they'd be working on it 24/7 and pulling out all the stops to get the job finished.I can't comment on the m62 as I have no knowledge of the scheme.
However the speed limit is in place in response to narrowing the lanes in most cases, but also so the workforce can access and exit the works. I agree it get tedious, but it's better than people attempting to to 100mph in a narrow lane and then a lorry pulling out in front of the from the works exit.
As for work force numbers is probably seems so few as its over x amount of miles and mostly happens at night due to work traffic having to rejoin the motorway. but as I said, i have no knowledge of the m62 scheme is probably altogether different.
However the speed limit is in place in response to narrowing the lanes in most cases, but also so the workforce can access and exit the works. I agree it get tedious, but it's better than people attempting to to 100mph in a narrow lane and then a lorry pulling out in front of the from the works exit.
As for work force numbers is probably seems so few as its over x amount of miles and mostly happens at night due to work traffic having to rejoin the motorway. but as I said, i have no knowledge of the m62 scheme is probably altogether different.
Edited by Ag51bye on Friday 17th May 18:24
rhinochopig said:
And to cap it all off last week I counted the number of workers on that stretch and there was 1 bloke on the eastbound section and he was sat on the step of a portakabin having a smoke. The whole scheme is one big utterly unsafe joke.
I don't mind the speed limits but IMO if they're doing major roadworks on motorways they they should have teams working around the clock on them.Ag51bye said:
For instance on the m25 widening scheme, a hole lane cannot be put in 1 night and can also not be left with just half a lane!
Actually fairly common to see this in Canada. First night they scrape off the top layer of tarmac, then re-open the road for the day. The next night they lay a new layer of tarmac. Repeat this in 1-2km segments and it's soon done. For a day the road surface is really rough, but they just stick out a sign and life continues as normal.Edited by Ag51bye on Friday 17th May 18:05
It's really impressive to watch the progress day by day with almost zero disruption. Even at night, they only close one or two lanes at a time (with no 'lane closed for safety'). Mind you, the volume of traffic is definitely lower than the m25.
When the A80 was being upgraded to the M80 in central Scotland that was major roadworks and reconstruction. New bridges, changing road layout and they kept 4lanes open during the day. The speed limit was reduced to 40mph for over 2years. I don't remember there being any increase in accidents during that time. When the upgraded road opened at the 70limit again they had police patrols on the lookout for people going too slow as drivers had become that accustomed to doing 40 in an area that stretched many miles with average speed cameras.
that's the thing isn't it......it's the weeks and weeks and months and months with no one working on the stupid thing.
Use more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
I'm pretty sure if we put my team on any of this work, we'd find a way to make it smarter.
It's lazy, and shows a total lack of giving a fk to the motorist.
Use more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
I'm pretty sure if we put my team on any of this work, we'd find a way to make it smarter.
It's lazy, and shows a total lack of giving a f
k to the motorist.RacerMDR said:
that's the thing isn't it......it's the weeks and weeks and months and months with no one working on the stupid thing.
Use more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Use more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
This. Every motorist knows that roads need to be fixed, improved, widened etc, etc. But why oh why do we see miles and miles of roadworks and associated restriction on speeds and lane width with nobody doing any work whatsoever ??????
Surely it is more cost effective for both the people picking up the tab for the roadworks and the local economy for the work to be completed ASAP with a nod to 24 hour working ????
It's a 6mph drop for a lorry, so I dont believe it's to do with lower speed when one lorry runs into another. More likely is that the lane signs in the roadworks are a bit fked up on the eastbound and it can be confusing to read while you're watching who's filtering for the A62 and who's getting ready for the M1 break off
ked up on the eastbound and it can be confusing to read while you're watching who's filtering for the A62 and who's getting ready for the M1 break off
Dog Star said:
If it was the M25 they'd be working on it 24/7 and pulling out all the stops to get the job finished.
There are roadworks on the M25. I travel on it every week at 8pm. Yet I have never need a single worker there doing anything in months. I suspect they are going to milk the contract for all it is worth and we will have average speed cameras there for years. Ag51bye said:
I'm failing to see your complaint? Are you saying the 50mph speed limit caused the crash?!
I work in traffic management mainly on the m25, unfortunately on the long term scheme jobs it can't be done on a notch at a time basis
For instance on the m25 widening scheme, a hole lane cannot be put in 1 night and can also not be left with just half a lane!
However, i can see how from the other side of the fence roadworks are frustrating.
I've been on the southern M25 more times than I can remember over the last few months and I would simply like to see someone working!I work in traffic management mainly on the m25, unfortunately on the long term scheme jobs it can't be done on a notch at a time basis
For instance on the m25 widening scheme, a hole lane cannot be put in 1 night and can also not be left with just half a lane!
However, i can see how from the other side of the fence roadworks are frustrating.
Edited by Ag51bye on Friday 17th May 18:05
Miles and miles of roadworks and no more than half a dozen people working at any one time.
Stupid at best.
andy-xr said:
It's a 6mph drop for a lorry, so I dont believe it's to do with lower speed when one lorry runs into another. More likely is that the lane signs in the roadworks are a bit fked up on the eastbound and it can be confusing to read while you're watching who's filtering for the A62 and who's getting ready for the M1 break off
It goes from 4 lanes to 2 at Junct 27 eastbound and it's very poorly signed. ked up on the eastbound and it can be confusing to read while you're watching who's filtering for the A62 and who's getting ready for the M1 break offAny who doesn't know, travelling east, suddenly find themselves either having to go into Leeds or push out into lane 3 at the last minute,
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