RE: Nissan teases 2014 Le Mans entry
Wednesday 19th June 2013
Nissan is gearing up for a hectic Le Mans, with 15 of the 22 LMP2 cars on the grid running NISMO tuned VK45DE V8s. And still they're talking about NISMO as a trim level?
We'll have to wait until Friday for a better viewWe've had that rant but Nissan's presence at Le Mans will be huge and centred around the NISMO Fan Zone. Indeed, under the hashtag #FansFirst it's putting its social media heart on its sleeve and intending to bring its racing activities to the grassroots Le Mans fans. And taking a few PHers up in helicopters too, which is jolly nice of them.
Nissan teases 2014 Le Mans entry
Nissan's returning to 'Garage 56' for 2014 - unveiling promised at this year's Le Mans
We'll have to wait until Friday for a better view
This 'fans first' thing apparently includes unveiling its 2014 'Garage 56' entry for the very first time in public, as teased in this slightly sinister video containing the not entirely mysterious pay-off 'electrifying Le Mans' and promise that the car will be shown at 1030h local time, or 0930h here. No prizes for guessing what'll be powering the car; we'll have to see what 'ZEOD' is all about though.
Nissan has previous here of course, entering the DeltaWing last year under the same Garage 56 banner for experimental cars. That didn't end as well as the team might have hoped but Nissan's clearly ready to have another crack of the whip and we'll look forward to hearing more on Friday. For you social media types you can also follow #NISMO and #ElectrifyingLeMans for Tweets and other teasers. Or stay with PH, where we'll bring you the full story as it happens.
Going to Le Mans? Download your invitation to the unveiling here!
Discussion
Those who complain about hybrids, electrics, or the dirty black stuff instead of petrol at Le Mans get the wrong end of the stick for me. Le Mans isnt about what powers the engine or the configurations or any of that, its always had a very mixed field, different ideas and notions on show, turbines, airbrakes, disc brakes, 4wd, etc, etc. Hell, even 80 yrs back Ettore was whinging that Bentley wasnt playing fair bringing reliable trucks to race and not fragile "racing cars". Le Mans is different, its about 24hrs of hard racing, prooving your technology, out lasting and out racing the opposition. All developments should be welcomed and directed to the track and told to show us what you got.
Good luck Nissan with whatever you are bringing to the table.
Good luck Nissan with whatever you are bringing to the table.
DJRC said:
Those who complain about hybrids, electrics, or the dirty black stuff instead of petrol at Le Mans get the wrong end of the stick for me. Le Mans isnt about what powers the engine or the configurations or any of that, its always had a very mixed field, different ideas and notions on show, turbines, airbrakes, disc brakes, 4wd, etc, etc. Hell, even 80 yrs back Ettore was whinging that Bentley wasnt playing fair bringing reliable trucks to race and not fragile "racing cars". Le Mans is different, its about 24hrs of hard racing, prooving your technology, out lasting and out racing the opposition. All developments should be welcomed and directed to the track and told to show us what you got.
Good luck Nissan with whatever you are bringing to the table.
This.Good luck Nissan with whatever you are bringing to the table.
If it is a revolutionary as the Deltawing (development place again?) It can only be applauded
Part of me is thinking that this is great because the technology required to race an electric car for 24 hours will have to be great and should move electric vehicles forward substantially. The other part is disappointed that a big part of the enjoyment from motor sport is the noise of a really great engine, this has gone largely with the diesel Audis and will be removed completely with an electric motor and that is a real shame in my view.
There is still the nagging doubt that looking at the complete fuel generation process an electric car is no better for the environment than a fossil fuel powered one. I would love to see more development of hydrogen fuel cells as these could be the greenest of all.
There is still the nagging doubt that looking at the complete fuel generation process an electric car is no better for the environment than a fossil fuel powered one. I would love to see more development of hydrogen fuel cells as these could be the greenest of all.
NO NO NO NO NO and NO!!!
An engine is an engine is an engine only. Engine's matter f
k all except beyond providing you with sufficient propulsive properties and reliability for you to do your job.
Vandervall, Cooper and Chapman told Enzo to fk off about that engine claptrap 50 odd yrs ago and then reinforced it by kicking him in the bks repeatedly till he learnt his lesson. Anybody who cares about the engine noise of a racing car over its race winning ability should be barred from race meetings for being a moany little bh.
An engine is an engine is an engine only. Engine's matter f
k all except beyond providing you with sufficient propulsive properties and reliability for you to do your job.Vandervall, Cooper and Chapman told Enzo to f
k off about that engine claptrap 50 odd yrs ago and then reinforced it by kicking him in the bks repeatedly till he learnt his lesson. Anybody who cares about the engine noise of a racing car over its race winning ability should be barred from race meetings for being a moany little bh.PW said:
andyps said:
this has gone largely with the diesel Audis and will be removed completely with an electric motor and that is a real shame in my view.
Yeah, it's such a shame you can't actually hear the 53 petrol powered cars going round now that there's 3 diesels.andyps said:
I would love to see more development of hydrogen fuel cells as these could be the greenest of all.
Err... NO!Hydrogen is currently mass produced from oil, but the creating resulting product takes more energy than would be available from the original fuel.
Hydrolysis and converting the resultant Hydrogen into a usable state takes ridiculous amounts of energy, the figure I'm aware of is 35x the energy from start to finish. So if it took 100kWh to do a journey in the car, it would take 3500kWh of energy to make the Hydrogen, compress it, transport it and put it in the car.
Assuming it hasn't leaked out in the mean time.
Although there have been improvements in the technology since this was released and I am not aware of the current figures.
Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's an energy transportation system and a very inefficient one at that.
annodomini2 said:
Err... NO!
Hydrogen is currently mass produced from oil, but the creating resulting product takes more energy than would be available from the original fuel.
Hydrolysis and converting the resultant Hydrogen into a usable state takes ridiculous amounts of energy, the figure I'm aware of is 35x the energy from start to finish. So if it took 100kWh to do a journey in the car, it would take 3500kWh of energy to make the Hydrogen, compress it, transport it and put it in the car.
Assuming it hasn't leaked out in the mean time.
Although there have been improvements in the technology since this was released and I am not aware of the current figures.
Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's an energy transportation system and a very inefficient one at that.
You just earned a beer. Go forth, sir.Hydrogen is currently mass produced from oil, but the creating resulting product takes more energy than would be available from the original fuel.
Hydrolysis and converting the resultant Hydrogen into a usable state takes ridiculous amounts of energy, the figure I'm aware of is 35x the energy from start to finish. So if it took 100kWh to do a journey in the car, it would take 3500kWh of energy to make the Hydrogen, compress it, transport it and put it in the car.
Assuming it hasn't leaked out in the mean time.
Although there have been improvements in the technology since this was released and I am not aware of the current figures.
Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's an energy transportation system and a very inefficient one at that.
annodomini2 said:
Err... NO!
Hydrogen is currently mass produced from oil, but the creating resulting product takes more energy than would be available from the original fuel.
Hydrolysis and converting the resultant Hydrogen into a usable state takes ridiculous amounts of energy, the figure I'm aware of is 35x the energy from start to finish. So if it took 100kWh to do a journey in the car, it would take 3500kWh of energy to make the Hydrogen, compress it, transport it and put it in the car.
Assuming it hasn't leaked out in the mean time.
Although there have been improvements in the technology since this was released and I am not aware of the current figures.
Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's an energy transportation system and a very inefficient one at that.
Thanks for the info - I didn't know that. There have been suggestions of the car being the hydrogen generator in itself which I guess is what I was thinking of, but it isn't something I know any where near enough about. I was aware of the leakage problem, however.Hydrogen is currently mass produced from oil, but the creating resulting product takes more energy than would be available from the original fuel.
Hydrolysis and converting the resultant Hydrogen into a usable state takes ridiculous amounts of energy, the figure I'm aware of is 35x the energy from start to finish. So if it took 100kWh to do a journey in the car, it would take 3500kWh of energy to make the Hydrogen, compress it, transport it and put it in the car.
Assuming it hasn't leaked out in the mean time.
Although there have been improvements in the technology since this was released and I am not aware of the current figures.
Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's an energy transportation system and a very inefficient one at that.
With the rise of NISMO, this makes good sense for Nissan. Bound to be a form of hybrid, and Friday will be interesting. They've also probably (hopefully) learnt a lesson from the adopted DeltaWing project (they dropped it like a stone, so seems they did). Will make 2014 very interesting, and it'll be a Le Mans to go to.
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